Forums - Sales Discussion - *Where Would Gaming Be If Wii Failed?*

MARCUSDJACKSON said:
evolution_1ne said:
MrT-Tar said:
evolution_1ne said:

it would be in a better place than where it is now


can I ask how?

IMO greater competition and diversity in the video game industry is a good thing

wii hasn't been competing with the ps3 or 360 until mid 2010.

and diversity is good, always good, but that depends on what type of diversity, and the "diversity" (which in my opinion isn't diversity at all but I won't go into that because I'll probably get banned again) the wii brings is definitely the wrong type of diversity.

In my opinion the industry would be A LOT better off with Nintendo being a 3rd party publisher, instead of a hardware manufacturer.

*note my feeling towards the wii are exclusive to the wii and NOT Nintendo*

yep and your sig says it all. can you do any of that with Wii motion pluse, move, and 3DS in 3D lol?

quoted worng person I take it?



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evolution_1ne said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
evolution_1ne said:
MrT-Tar said:
evolution_1ne said:

it would be in a better place than where it is now


can I ask how?

IMO greater competition and diversity in the video game industry is a good thing

wii hasn't been competing with the ps3 or 360 until mid 2010.

and diversity is good, always good, but that depends on what type of diversity, and the "diversity" (which in my opinion isn't diversity at all but I won't go into that because I'll probably get banned again) the wii brings is definitely the wrong type of diversity.

In my opinion the industry would be A LOT better off with Nintendo being a 3rd party publisher, instead of a hardware manufacturer.

*note my feeling towards the wii are exclusive to the wii and NOT Nintendo*

yep and your sig says it all. can you do any of that with Wii motion pluse, move, and 3DS in 3D lol?

quoted worng person I take it?

no. a hot women pulling up her pants is worth more then words.

i highlighted part should have clude you in



theprof00 said:
dtewi said:

Graphics would become the main feature of the typical game, Sony and MS would be playing t3h graphix warz instead of t3h casual warz, then the gaming industry would collapse in 2020 when the PS5 and Xbox1080 release for around $1000 each.

despite the fact that most generation consoles have released for very similar price points, you make that leap to 1000$ like Sony didn't learn its lesson one year into this generation.

Game consoles would not have become 1000$, and it wouldn't become the graphics wars because at the level this generation is at, future generations aren't going to be ABLE to have a significant leap in graphics. Innovative gameplay and expansion will always take the primary foundation, just as Battlefield and COD have taken control of the HD market. You might argue that those games are teh awsum grapfx, but they are very innovative games; FPS with an RPG kind of slant with leveling and abilities.

Additionally, there would still be an iPhone, and market expansion would still occur, so,

tl;dr

I very much disagree with your comment.


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Chairman-Mao said:

This is going to sound cliche as hell but gaming would be much better for core gamers and there would be no casual market if the Wii had failed. 

There would be more core games and high profile titles and less lame party games and what not. 

I'm not going to say I wish the wii had failed, but I really wish it hadn't turned the industry into a "casual" industry. I want more Halo, Grand Theft Auto, new high profile IP's, etc. and less "Kinect pillow fight" "Wii Party 27" and "Trip to the Zoo move" or whatever is coming out.

Damn straight! Gone would be all the casual weird-ass Japanese games like No More Heroes, Opoona, Muramasa, Little King's Story etc and we would all play real hardcore games like Halo, Call of Duty and GTA!



Chrizum said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This is going to sound cliche as hell but gaming would be much better for core gamers and there would be no casual market if the Wii had failed. 

There would be more core games and high profile titles and less lame party games and what not. 

I'm not going to say I wish the wii had failed, but I really wish it hadn't turned the industry into a "casual" industry. I want more Halo, Grand Theft Auto, new high profile IP's, etc. and less "Kinect pillow fight" "Wii Party 27" and "Trip to the Zoo move" or whatever is coming out.

Damn straight! Gone would be all the casual weird-ass Japanese games like No More Heroes, Opoona, Muramasa, Little King's Story etc and we would all play real hardcore games like Halo, Call of Duty and GTA!

sales=quality



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theprof00 said:
Chrizum said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This is going to sound cliche as hell but gaming would be much better for core gamers and there would be no casual market if the Wii had failed. 

There would be more core games and high profile titles and less lame party games and what not. 

I'm not going to say I wish the wii had failed, but I really wish it hadn't turned the industry into a "casual" industry. I want more Halo, Grand Theft Auto, new high profile IP's, etc. and less "Kinect pillow fight" "Wii Party 27" and "Trip to the Zoo move" or whatever is coming out.

Damn straight! Gone would be all the casual weird-ass Japanese games like No More Heroes, Opoona, Muramasa, Little King's Story etc and we would all play real hardcore games like Halo, Call of Duty and GTA!

sales=quality

I know!



Seece said:

LOL, it'd be ticking over fine.

MS and Sony would just more or less be sharing first place, Ninty's console would have done 20 mill, so same as last gen, and MS and Sony would be on same course for their 80 mill. So 160 mill (PS2 140, Xbox 25)

So market would be about the same roughly, userbase wise anyway.


That's ignoring the fact that Wii games were what was keeping most videogame companies afloat early on.

Without the Wii we'd of lost a LOT of third party companies.



evolution_1ne said:
Maynard_Tool said:
oniyide said:

^^^thats funny i dont remember any exercise games on PS2, or dancing games, or Icarly, deer hunters, dora the explorer, Bacheolor games, biggest loser. oh thats right there werent any, care to elighten us on these shovelware ports. And actual video games ported from PS2 is not shovelware (Bully, Tomb Raider, RE4)

What do you mean by that?

he means the bullshit that wii fans spout when they say crap like the ps2 had the same amount of shovelware as the wii, which it didn't, and the shovelware it did have sold like utter shit unlike on the wii where it becomes the highest selling software in gaming history, furthering the wii userbase from that of the ps2.

Fact if the wii failed this gen would be short 90% of the crap shovelware it's now buried under.

 

 

 

edit: In my opinion


 

Thank heaven you stated it was your opinion



Maynard_Tool said:
evolution_1ne said:
Maynard_Tool said:
oniyide said:

^^^thats funny i dont remember any exercise games on PS2, or dancing games, or Icarly, deer hunters, dora the explorer, Bacheolor games, biggest loser. oh thats right there werent any, care to elighten us on these shovelware ports. And actual video games ported from PS2 is not shovelware (Bully, Tomb Raider, RE4)

What do you mean by that?

he means the bullshit that wii fans spout when they say crap like the ps2 had the same amount of shovelware as the wii, which it didn't, and the shovelware it did have sold like utter shit unlike on the wii where it becomes the highest selling software in gaming history, furthering the wii userbase from that of the ps2.

Fact if the wii failed this gen would be short 90% of the crap shovelware it's now buried under.

 

 

 

edit: In my opinion


 

Thank heaven you stated it was your opinion

lol touche

in my defense, the ps2 had WAAAAAAY more core games than the wii (with way more being an understatement of epic proportions), which is why seeing shovelware for the system could be a hard thing to do. but on wii, finding a core game in the sea of shovelware is like finding a slightly darker strand of hey in a stack of hey. which is why bringing up the shovelware argument between the 2 is completely pointless.

top 20 selling ps2 games

1
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2)
Rockstar Games
9.26 0.41 9.23 18.91
2
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2)
Sony Computer Entertainment
7.14 1.89 5.86 14.89
3
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)
Rockstar Games
8.20 0.47 5.53 14.20
4
Grand Theft Auto III (PS2)
Rockstar Games
6.55 0.36 4.69 11.60
5
Gran Turismo 4 (PS2)
Sony Computer Entertainment
2.84 1.26 6.50 10.61
6
Final Fantasy X (PS2)
Square
2.74 3.02 2.19 7.95
7
Need for Speed Underground (PS2)
Electronic Arts
2.99 0.08 3.42 6.49
8
Need for Speed Underground 2 (PS2)
Electronic Arts
2.63 0.08 3.67 6.38
9
Medal of Honor: Frontline (PS2)
Electronic Arts
2.80 0.17 3.32 6.29
10
Final Fantasy XII (PS2)
Square Enix
1.91 2.42 1.40 5.73
11
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (PS2)
Konami
2.29 0.87 2.42 5.58
12
Kingdom Hearts (PS2)
Square EA
3.45 1.24 0.81 5.50
13
Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2)
Square Enix
1.82 2.41 0.98 5.21
14
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (PS2)
Square Enix
0.63 3.68 0.69 5.00
15
Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex (PS2)
Universal Interactive
1.95 0.24 2.78 4.97
16
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2)
RedOctane
3.63 0.01 1.03 4.66
17
Medal of Honor: Rising Sun (PS2)
Electronic Arts
1.81 0.13 2.71 4.65
18
Madden NFL 2005 (PS2)
EA Sports
4.35 0.01 0.10 4.46
19
Spider-Man (PS2)
Activision
2.51 0.03 1.79 4.33
20
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (PS2)
Electronic Arts
1.84 0.08 2.36 4.28

to 20 selling wii games

1
Wii Sports (Wii)
Nintendo
40.27 3.75 30.69 74.71
2
Wii Play (Wii)
Nintendo
14.60 2.92 10.59 28.12
3
Mario Kart Wii (Wii)
Nintendo
11.47 3.07 11.64 26.18
4
Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
Nintendo
12.20 2.26 10.10 24.55
5
Wii Fit (Wii)
Nintendo
9.59 3.60 9.51 22.70
6
New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)
Nintendo
10.93 4.24 6.05 21.22
7
Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
Nintendo
8.03 2.25 7.69 17.97
8
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii)
Nintendo
5.54 2.18 2.44 10.16
9
Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
Nintendo
4.83 1.19 3.27 9.28
10
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Wii)
Sega
2.73 0.65 4.33 7.72
11
Mario Party 8 (Wii)
Nintendo
3.75 1.56 2.10 7.42
12
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)
Nintendo
3.11 0.95 2.02 6.08
13
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii)
Nintendo
3.21 0.60 2.01 5.81
14
Just Dance 2 (Wii)
Ubisoft
3.32 0.00 2.08 5.40
15
Just Dance (Wii)
Ubisoft
2.47 0.00 2.85 5.32
16
Wii Party (Wii)
Nintendo
1.21 1.76 2.00 4.98
17
Link's Crossbow Training (Wii)
Nintendo
3.14 0.29 1.34 4.77
18
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Wii)
RedOctane
3.18 0.00 1.26 4.45
19
LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Wii)
LucasArts
2.78 0.00 1.32 4.10
20
Donkey Kong Country Returns (Wii)
Nintendo
2.20 0.79 1.09 4.09

as you can see one is 50% shovelware, and one is ZERO shovelware...



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