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zgamer5 on 31 January 2011
irstupid said:
pizzahut451 said:
UnknownFact said:

3DS will win because of the huge DS established fandom.

But gap will not be as big as DS/PSP.

Sony will have to come up with a surprise like Microsoft did with X360 to be able to actually win this.


What fandom? 12 year old girls and soccer moms?? Im sorry, but huge part of DS's userbase isnt all nintendo fans, but casual players who simply buy everything that is ''new'' and fancy. Thats why they all jumped to Wii insted of PS3.If established fandom determens the winner, than PS3 should have easly been the best selling console, because of PS2's userbase. Im betting that, to most of them, 3DS is just another upgraded model of normal DS. DS, DSLite, DSi, DSXL, 3DS, you cant really know that the last one is ''next gen'' if you dont check gaming web sites, and most of DS users dont.

gaming websites mean jack shit in the sales department.  Look not further than say okami or zak and wiki for that.

What is going to sell the NGP or the 3DS will be hands on.  People being SHOWN the system by friends/family or by a clerk at a store or the system sitting there (whatever they call a console kiosk basically)

Advertising on TV will obviously help as well, but with the prices of these two items (no word yet on NGP of course) people will be hesitent still going into store before they purchase and be more likely to try as i said the kiosk above and see wahts so special before speding $250 on one or the other.

Which then it boils down to seeing pretty graphics on the NGP or somehow 3D graphics on the 3DS.  Just thinking i can't imagine how the later will not impress them more than the former.  Now on to extra features of GPS, 3G, back touch, street tag, only one friend code, ect on to all the other gajillion features between teh two.  Obviously we on the forums can see that the NGP wins in this department.  BUT the consumer can't see all these and/or would be confused being told about all these int eh store.  They are going to rely on just the ONE thing.  Amazing graphics vs. 3D without glasses.  I see the later being as was said towards Wii, a bigger fad.

you do know that hes talking about fandom. not god damn sales.

good overreaction.

next time please attention and dont start a rant talking about sales, we all know 3ds is going to destroy(except gilgamesh) and the person above was pointing out that fans from the previous gen dont guarantee you 1st place.



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irstupid on 31 January 2011
zgamer5 said:
irstupid said:
pizzahut451 said:
UnknownFact said:

3DS will win because of the huge DS established fandom.

But gap will not be as big as DS/PSP.

Sony will have to come up with a surprise like Microsoft did with X360 to be able to actually win this.


What fandom? 12 year old girls and soccer moms?? Im sorry, but huge part of DS's userbase isnt all nintendo fans, but casual players who simply buy everything that is ''new'' and fancy. Thats why they all jumped to Wii insted of PS3.If established fandom determens the winner, than PS3 should have easly been the best selling console, because of PS2's userbase. Im betting that, to most of them, 3DS is just another upgraded model of normal DS. DS, DSLite, DSi, DSXL, 3DS, you cant really know that the last one is ''next gen'' if you dont check gaming web sites, and most of DS users dont.

gaming websites mean jack shit in the sales department.  Look not further than say okami or zak and wiki for that.

What is going to sell the NGP or the 3DS will be hands on.  People being SHOWN the system by friends/family or by a clerk at a store or the system sitting there (whatever they call a console kiosk basically)

Advertising on TV will obviously help as well, but with the prices of these two items (no word yet on NGP of course) people will be hesitent still going into store before they purchase and be more likely to try as i said the kiosk above and see wahts so special before speding $250 on one or the other.

Which then it boils down to seeing pretty graphics on the NGP or somehow 3D graphics on the 3DS.  Just thinking i can't imagine how the later will not impress them more than the former.  Now on to extra features of GPS, 3G, back touch, street tag, only one friend code, ect on to all the other gajillion features between teh two.  Obviously we on the forums can see that the NGP wins in this department.  BUT the consumer can't see all these and/or would be confused being told about all these int eh store.  They are going to rely on just the ONE thing.  Amazing graphics vs. 3D without glasses.  I see the later being as was said towards Wii, a bigger fad.

you do know that hes talking about fandom. not god damn sales.

good overreaction.

next time please attention and dont start a rant talking about sales, we all know 3ds is going to destroy(except gilgamesh) and the person above was pointing out that fans from the previous gen dont guarantee you 1st place.

i was saying fandom means jack shit.  only online is there such a thing as fandom

the average consumer dont' go in and go "OMG i need the new sony or nintendo"  while yes there is brand recognition, which leads to a lot of consumers buying the wrong gift for their child or refer to say video games as a playstation or a nintendo. 

BUT as I was saying if they are going to be getting say their kid or even heck themselves somethign new, they will be shown both most likely unless set on one while entering and then it will come down to the few seconds on the system going wow fancy graphics, or wow 3D.  ignore the rest of the features, telling them it all will just confuse them and turn them off a purchase probably even.

you guys over-estimate fandom.  before the playstation 1, vidoe games were called nintendo.  then before wii, people would refer to vidoe games as playstations.  they aren't die hard fans of said system by saying that, that is just how they thought they were called.  there idiots.  now video games are back to being nintendo's by the general consumer.  does this mean that 3DS will win because of the fanboys?  no, they will buy what attracts their attention and wows them.  whatever that is, is the new term for video game



zgamer5 on 31 January 2011
irstupid said:
zgamer5 said:
irstupid said:
pizzahut451 said:
UnknownFact said:

3DS will win because of the huge DS established fandom.

But gap will not be as big as DS/PSP.

Sony will have to come up with a surprise like Microsoft did with X360 to be able to actually win this.


What fandom? 12 year old girls and soccer moms?? Im sorry, but huge part of DS's userbase isnt all nintendo fans, but casual players who simply buy everything that is ''new'' and fancy. Thats why they all jumped to Wii insted of PS3.If established fandom determens the winner, than PS3 should have easly been the best selling console, because of PS2's userbase. Im betting that, to most of them, 3DS is just another upgraded model of normal DS. DS, DSLite, DSi, DSXL, 3DS, you cant really know that the last one is ''next gen'' if you dont check gaming web sites, and most of DS users dont.

gaming websites mean jack shit in the sales department.  Look not further than say okami or zak and wiki for that.

What is going to sell the NGP or the 3DS will be hands on.  People being SHOWN the system by friends/family or by a clerk at a store or the system sitting there (whatever they call a console kiosk basically)

Advertising on TV will obviously help as well, but with the prices of these two items (no word yet on NGP of course) people will be hesitent still going into store before they purchase and be more likely to try as i said the kiosk above and see wahts so special before speding $250 on one or the other.

Which then it boils down to seeing pretty graphics on the NGP or somehow 3D graphics on the 3DS.  Just thinking i can't imagine how the later will not impress them more than the former.  Now on to extra features of GPS, 3G, back touch, street tag, only one friend code, ect on to all the other gajillion features between teh two.  Obviously we on the forums can see that the NGP wins in this department.  BUT the consumer can't see all these and/or would be confused being told about all these int eh store.  They are going to rely on just the ONE thing.  Amazing graphics vs. 3D without glasses.  I see the later being as was said towards Wii, a bigger fad.

you do know that hes talking about fandom. not god damn sales.

good overreaction.

next time please attention and dont start a rant talking about sales, we all know 3ds is going to destroy(except gilgamesh) and the person above was pointing out that fans from the previous gen dont guarantee you 1st place.

i was saying fandom means jack shit.  only online is there such a thing as fandom

the average consumer dont' go in and go "OMG i need the new sony or nintendo"  while yes there is brand recognition, which leads to a lot of consumers buying the wrong gift for their child or refer to say video games as a playstation or a nintendo.

BUT as I was saying if they are going to be getting say their kid or even heck themselves somethign new, they will be shown both most likely unless set on one while entering and then it will come down to the few seconds on the system going wow fancy graphics, or wow 3D.  ignore the rest of the features, telling them it all will just confuse them and turn them off a purchase probably even.

you guys over-estimate fandom.  before the playstation 1, vidoe games were called nintendo.  then before wii, people would refer to vidoe games as playstations.  they aren't die hard fans of said system by saying that, that is just how they thought they were called.  there idiots.  now video games are back to being nintendo's by the general consumer.  does this mean that 3DS will win because of the fanboys?  no, they will buy what attracts their attention and wows them.  whatever that is, is the new term for video game


bolded=uselss i get your point



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SosusOCR on 31 January 2011

The PSP2 is going to appeal to a very narrow customer base (Sony fanboys and hardcore gamers) where as the 3DS will have that massive casual market, have brand recognition and that 3D gimmick (I hear 3D is popular these days).

The PSP2 will sell okay but nowhere near like the 3DS will. 



Darc Requiem on 01 February 2011
RolStoppable said:
pizzahut451 said:
RolStoppable said:
pizzahut451 said:
Darc Requiem said:

Sony didn't start profiting from PS2 hardware until it's 3rd year on the market. They sold the system a huge loss the first two years because they didn't want to risk the Dreamcast gaining a foothold.

That's quite the nonsense you wrote there :)

Sony's gaming division posted a loss of about half a billion dollars in the fiscal year the PS2 launched. With an all around profitable PS1 and profitable PS2 software, that leaves only one culprit for the loss: PS2 hardware. A year before the PS2 launch Sony's gaming division posted a profit of more than $600 million, so losses on PS2 hardware could account for almost $1 billion in the following year as they didn't only offset all gains from the PS1 during that same year, but far exceeded it.

And yet they broke even and make almost 450M profit in the next year?  So PS2's  made up for 1 billion loss and added another half bilion in profit in only one year? Doesnt add up. I know Sony lost money on launch, but to say it was a ''huge loss'' is and overestimate. Huge loss means you lost huge chunk of all your money and wont be able to get it back for some time. If you call Sony's loss huge, how would you call Miscrosoft's on original Xbox?

$1 billion is a lot of money, it is a huge loss. What's incorrect about the post you originally quoted is the notion that Sony sold the PS2 at a huge loss for the first two years (which isn't what you bolded). The PS2 was sold at a huge loss in its first year, that's a factually correct statement.

You are confusing division profits and the the cost of the hardware versus it's MSRP. Sony's strategy usually involves selling the hardware at a loss and making up the difference in software. Every time they sold a PS2 in the first two years they lost money on the sale. In the first fiscal year they didn't sell enough software to cover those losses, in the second fiscal year they did. That doesn't change the fact that PS2 console itself was sold at a loss.



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scapegoatsqueal on 01 February 2011

PSP2 will tank like the PSP, and $ony will fail to learn its lesson like with the PSP.



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flashpoint_1230 on 04 February 2011

It comes down to whether developers will be able to harness the NGP's power. My guess is that it's overkill, and that the NGP, like the PSP, will fail to live up to its full potential. I'd be tempted to say that the NGP's extras (ie. 3G, etc.) are just a ploy to help draw consumers in, but I don't know enough about Sony's sales strategy to say anything.

Of course, the 3DS could also face the same issues. It is releasing at a price point far higher than that of the DS, or even the Wii, and its battery life is only fair. But Nintendo could easily remedy that issue. One upside is that developers will probably be less likely to rush products out, but we won't see too many new IPs, either.

Honestly, I don't feel like the NGP has a large chance of mainstream success. Its game library will likely be a mashup of PSP and PS3 franchises (ie. very little new material).

Personally, I feel like the 3DS could hit anywhere between 75-110 million WW, or possibly DS numbers if something big happened, but I don't ever see NGP passing 100 million, even if everything went right with the pricing and all. I see more like 50-60 million.



stopstopp on 04 February 2011
scapegoatsqueal said:

PSP2 will tank like the PSP, and $ony will fail to learn its lesson like with the PSP.

Like Sega?

Wow, I feel bad now.



scapegoatsqueal on 05 February 2011
stopstopp said:
scapegoatsqueal said:

PSP2 will tank like the PSP, and $ony will fail to learn its lesson like with the PSP.

Like Sega?

Wow, I feel bad now.


its k, its normal 2 feel bad when u type something stupid. SEGA only went wrong with the Saturn, and they corrected themselves with the Dreamcast



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zgamer5 on 05 February 2011
scapegoatsqueal said:

PSP2 will tank like the PSP, and $ony will fail to learn its lesson like with the PSP.


so its not going to stay for a long time? from what weve seen sony did learn their lesson from the psp. heck even sega have faith in them.



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