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KylieDog said:
Euphoria14 said:
KylieDog said:


CoD sells craploads, small devs with games not expected to sell much can suffer horribly from even a small loss of sales.

 

In fact ignore that, you are trying to justify piracy.  Speaks for itself.


Where did I say justify piracy? Isn't my entire argument here in favor of homebrew?

In fact ignore that, you are just trying to create something that isn't there. 

 

I am currently uploading a picture that will show that the size of my PURCHASED gaming collection most likely equals and/or surpasses your own. Hope you enjoy being shown that you are speaking out without reading what I write.

Also it will have my daughter in it as she is tearing it apart, that way nobody can call bullshit on me. Maybe then people will decide to do their research before calling me out on bogus shit.


Showing a gaming collection does nothing for or against your previous comment.  You think because a game sells loads it is ok to commit theft.

Like I said, show the post where I defended piracy and not homebrew.

You're the one who made the accusation.



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I can understand PSP homebrew scene ( I also have CF in my PSP) as it's handy to have portable homebrew/emulation machine with you but I really don't see what is so great about homebrew with PS3 as there is already a lot more powerfull PC with even better emulators etc. Having ability to play mkv files is pretty much the only feature that would be handy but as Media Server already streams something like 80% of mkv files even that is not must have feature for me.



Is this the comment in question?

"Anyone acting like piracy will kill a console is kidding themselves just as much.

 

Just ask the PS2 and Wii if piracy destroyed them.

 

 

This is why the whole issue of piracy is overblown. Black Ops was pirated in 2010 more than MW2 was pirated in 2009 if I am not mistaken, but isn't it outselling it in the same span?"

If so that isn't defending piracy, that is my argument that the effects of piracy are overblown. Two entirely different things Kyliedog.



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KillerMan said:

I can understand PSP homebrew scene ( I also have CF in my PSP) as it's handy to have portable homebrew/emulation machine with you but I really don't see what is so great about homebrew with PS3 as there is already a lot more powerfull PC with even better emulators etc. Having ability to play mkv files is pretty much the only feature that would be handy but as Media Server already streams something like 80% of mkv files even that is not must have feature for me.


Homebrew will surely bring back PS2 emulation and if it does I see that as something great, then I could buy a Slim and not keep my power hungry 60GB.

I have wanted a new PS3 but would refuse since I would prefer to keep the PS2 B/C.

 

It would probably also allow the use of user created dynamic themes.



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KylieDog said:
Euphoria14 said:

Like I said, show the post where I defended piracy and not homebrew.

You're the one who made the accusation.


"This is why the whole issue of piracy is overblown. Black Ops was pirated in 2010 more than MW2 was pirated in 2009 if I am not mistaken, but isn't it outselling it in the same span?"

 

This is trying to justify theft. 

 

Edit: saw your above post, it IS defending piracy, and it also ignores games with small margins for profit.

No that is not Kyliedog. Saying the claims of piracies effects on the industry are overblown is different from saying that I believe piracy is alright to do.

Come on  Kyliedog, just admit that you made a bogus claim about me, because you know damn well you did.

 

Oh yeah and piracy isn't considered theft. Check the forums though, there are many threads explaining why, not to mention that I am pretty sure the law doesn't consider it theft either.

 

By the way, don't come back saying I justified it again because all I did was state the facts.



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KylieDog said:
Euphoria14 said:

Like I said, show the post where I defended piracy and not homebrew.

You're the one who made the accusation.


"This is why the whole issue of piracy is overblown. Black Ops was pirated in 2010 more than MW2 was pirated in 2009 if I am not mistaken, but isn't it outselling it in the same span?"

 

This is trying to justify theft. 

How about this one, I am playing on the opposite side that I believe in. I do not support piracy but just wanted to see if I can justify it. 

Anyways the succession of piracy launched consoles like the PSX and PS2 to worldwide success, since now more users have the ability to play pirated games for cheap, since local markets are overvalued in price. Namely in (re)developing nations like those in Eastern Europe. This leads to growth (in hardware) and in the future when brand becomes of value leads to growth (in software).



 

Euphoria14 said:
KillerMan said:

I can understand PSP homebrew scene ( I also have CF in my PSP) as it's handy to have portable homebrew/emulation machine with you but I really don't see what is so great about homebrew with PS3 as there is already a lot more powerfull PC with even better emulators etc. Having ability to play mkv files is pretty much the only feature that would be handy but as Media Server already streams something like 80% of mkv files even that is not must have feature for me.


Homebrew will surely bring back PS2 emulation and if it does I see that as something great, then I could buy a Slim and not keep my power hungry 60GB.

I have wanted a new PS3 but would refuse since I would prefer to keep the PS2 B/C.

 

It would probably also allow the use of user created dynamic themes.

Well if you enjoy playing games with 10 fps then maybe. Sony would have already added software based PS2 emulator if it had acceptable performance. For hardware based BC models CF could bring region free PS2 gaming though.



i hope sony can fix this issue, i dont like ppl using things like this. because it will hurt profits the 3rd party companies make from there games on the ps3 and it might cause to force some companies to make there games on the 360 now if that wasnt in there plans before this hack. overall this hurts the video games industry, anyone with a good head on there shoulders should see that too.



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KylieDog said:
Euphoria14 said:
KylieDog said:
Euphoria14 said:

Like I said, show the post where I defended piracy and not homebrew.

You're the one who made the accusation.


"This is why the whole issue of piracy is overblown. Black Ops was pirated in 2010 more than MW2 was pirated in 2009 if I am not mistaken, but isn't it outselling it in the same span?"

 

This is trying to justify theft. 

 

Edit: saw your above post, it IS defending piracy, and it also ignores games with small margins for profit.

No that is not Kyliedog. Saying the claims of piracies effects on the industry are overblown is different from saying that I believe piracy is alright to do.

Come on  Kyliedog, just admit that you made a bogus claim about me, because you know damn well you did.


The effects of piracy may be overblown on massive sellers like CoD games, but your statement is very biased and does not acknowledge other games with small margins for profit.  The effect of piracy for these is very different compared to CoD.

 

You cannot have one rule for one game and another rule for another though.  Piracy as a whole hurts.  There are more lower sellers than CoD sellers.

I acknowledged from the start that piracy is a negative of a console being opened up. I know piracy has it's effects, I just believe it is not as big as people make it out to be. 

Do you hate the second hand market too? How about game rentals or letting many people you know borrow your games?

1 Million people buying a used game, 1 Million people lending out their copy of Black Ops or 1 Million people renting games all results in devs losing 1M in sales does it not?



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KylieDog said:
Acevil said:
KylieDog said:
Euphoria14 said:

Like I said, show the post where I defended piracy and not homebrew.

You're the one who made the accusation.


"This is why the whole issue of piracy is overblown. Black Ops was pirated in 2010 more than MW2 was pirated in 2009 if I am not mistaken, but isn't it outselling it in the same span?"

 

This is trying to justify theft. 

How about this one, I am playing on the opposite side that I believe in. I do not support piracy but just wanted to see if I can justify it. 

Anyways the succession of piracy launched consoles like the PSX and PS2 to worldwide success, since now more users have the ability to play pirated games for cheap, since local markets are overvalued in price. Namely in (re)developing nations like those in Eastern Europe. Which leads to growth (in hardware) and in the future when brand becomes of value leads to growth (in software).


This is not how it works.  See ethomaz's post on the previous page (previous age for me anyway).


I still think PS3 brand recognition success world wide at least in developing nations can be attributed to the market that was created by mod ready ps2s and psx. At least that is what I saw in South Asia, but really piracy is worthless unless you want to play something that you can't due to inaccessibility.