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SaviorX on 23 December 2010
psrock said:

The implication is simple, they havent release many games on any of the consoles. It's not a Wii issue at all. I can't think of 3 games square has done fo the consoles, the PSP has way more than that. Japan is a handheld country and SE decided to support the handheld market while mostly ignoring the consoles, that's my point, not a Wii blah blah again.

"Square-Enix also announced recently that it had slashed its profit forecast dramatically for the fiscal year to March 2011. Square-Enix only expects profits of 1 billion Yen, down from the previous expectation of 12b Yen. Revenue is forecast to come in at 130b Yen, down from the original 160b Yen forecast. Weak sales of console games and the delay of Final Fantasy XIV for PS3, as well as Deus Ex were listed as reasons for the slashed forecasts."



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

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psrock on 23 December 2010
SaviorX said:
psrock said:

The implication is simple, they havent release many games on any of the consoles. It's not a Wii issue at all. I can't think of 3 games square has done fo the consoles, the PSP has way more than that. Japan is a handheld country and SE decided to support the handheld market while mostly ignoring the consoles, that's my point, not a Wii blah blah again.

"Square-Enix also announced recently that it had slashed its profit forecast dramatically for the fiscal year to March 2011. Square-Enix only expects profits of 1 billion Yen, down from the previous expectation of 12b Yen. Revenue is forecast to come in at 130b Yen, down from the original 160b Yen forecast. Weak sales of console games and the delay of Final Fantasy XIV for PS3, as well as Deus Ex were listed as reasons for the slashed forecasts."

I knew that was your agenda for the threads, but at least you are not hiding it.

NIER did not do too well



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SaviorX on 23 December 2010
psrock said:
SaviorX said:
psrock said:

The implication is simple, they havent release many games on any of the consoles. It's not a Wii issue at all. I can't think of 3 games square has done fo the consoles, the PSP has way more than that. Japan is a handheld country and SE decided to support the handheld market while mostly ignoring the consoles, that's my point, not a Wii blah blah again.

"Square-Enix also announced recently that it had slashed its profit forecast dramatically for the fiscal year to March 2011. Square-Enix only expects profits of 1 billion Yen, down from the previous expectation of 12b Yen. Revenue is forecast to come in at 130b Yen, down from the original 160b Yen forecast. Weak sales of console games and the delay of Final Fantasy XIV for PS3, as well as Deus Ex were listed as reasons for the slashed forecasts."

I knew that was your agenda for the threads, but at least you are not hiding it.

NIER did not do too well

I'm just restating exactly what Square Enix said.



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

psrock on 23 December 2010
RolStoppable said:
psrock said:

The implication is simple, they havent release many games on any of the consoles. It's not a Wii issue at all. I can't think of 3 games square has done fo the consoles, the PSP has way more than that. Japan is a handheld country and SE decided to support the handheld market while mostly ignoring the consoles, that's my point, not a Wii blah blah again.

I agree that S-E has mishandled consoles this generation in general, especially their decision to put some (big) games timed exclusive on the 360 hurt them. But there obviously is a bias against Wii development within S-E. You would think a Dragon Quest spinoff selling half a million copies in 2007 would encourage them to put some more games on the Wii, but what followed were just some cash-ins like the DS port of FFCC: Echoes of Time.

I am really not sure where this is going. We might as well stop now.

I get your point, SE is mess, but's more than just they hate the Wii, when they have no issue suppoorting the DS.



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ShadowSoldier on 23 December 2010
psrock said:
yanamaster said:
psrock said:

This thread seems more of the  " they didn't support the Wii" bullshit again. Blame the DS which has taken the major games in Japan. They have released one major FF game in the consoles while the PS2 enjoyed a couple. They have't release any DQ games on the consoles yet. We are comparing a full LTD of support to just acouple years. I am sure the PS3 and 360 numbers will increase.


Considering that the Wii has over 50% of the market and that the Wii has so far not received any large support from SE, as opposed to the PS3 and Xbox360, you can't really say it's "bull shit". Because it ain't. Not a single good game on Wii from them.

By the logic of your DS comment, FF13 and other games should have gone to either DS or PSP. But landed on the HD consoles. Previous gen, SE had a final fantasy out within one year of the release of PS2 and had released another 3-4 games in the next 2 years (Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Unlimited Saga, can't remember the last one) so overall a good flow of good games for the market leader.

Today we see that SE basically shafted the Wii and it's hurting them financially and and image-wise. Especially if the best two games they had to offer so far in Japan were two dragon quest spin offs where one is a first person slasher and the other is a card-based rpg game with graphics from the ps2 era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yk_WEwbnhE

For me it's a blatant sign of wasted potential on SE's side. 

FFXIII is one game, and a game many has bashed, what other games has SE released on the consoles the Wii should have had?

The Wii is not the PS2, it's not going to get even half of the major third party games when just dance is such a hit, when you can do much better selling casual games on it. SE'S biggest issue is FFXIII  which took forever and so much of their resources, and then that mess you call ff14.

This right here. Im surprised people haven't caught on to the major difference between the Wii and PS2 in terms of software success. And that just comes down to what kind of audience these companies are targeting with their system



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Kazukis on 23 December 2010
Wagram said:

SE isn't doing as well as it once was. However many of you guys should realize that no giants reign lasts forever. There will always be Rise and Fall periods. Square is having a tough time based off of stupid decisions it has made. Timed exclusitivity on a system that hardly any of its fanbase was on was ridiculously stupid. Also its constant need to re-do every game in their catalogue. As well as the fact that they haven't really released jack on the PS3 or Wii. So no wonder their sales are lower. Also the recent Final Fantasy XIV debacle isn't helping them.

Though many of you need to take a steo back and give square credit for something. They have released MANY good games this gen that seemed to be completely overshadowed. For example:

Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (which is considered by many as the best PSP game of all fricken time)

Crisis Core (my personal favorite PSP game)

Dissidia (a very damn fine fighting game)

Final Fantasy XIII (sure it is hated by many, but just as many love it)

The Last Remnant (hated by critics but loved by many including myself)

I'm not saying that SE doesn't need to get its act together because they definitely do. However many of you criticize them to no end just because you can. Give them SOME credit.

Agreed. Looking at my collection here I'd also add:

It is a Wonderful World (The World Ends With You) (with Jupiter helped). Phenomenal but to a narrow audience.

Nier (RIP Cavia) Incredible game, so overlooked

Dragon Quest IX (with Level 5 helped)

Dragon Quest Monsters series

Final Fantasy Tactics series

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series

Star Ocean: The Last Hope (Tri-Ace)

Dragon Quest Heroes:Rocket Slime (Tose)

Mana series (Nex Entertainment / Brownie Brown)

and many more.

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Square Enix simply followed the market and went onto handhelds. Their handheld releases has been excellent. None of the home consoles have the power here that the PS2 had. Hence the lack of support. I've loved Square-Enix this generation.



ShadowSoldier on 23 December 2010
yanamaster said:
psrock said:
yanamaster said:
psrock said:
yanamaster said:
psrock said:

This thread seems more of the  " they didn't support the Wii" bullshit again. Blame the DS which has taken the major games in Japan. They have released one major FF game in the consoles while the PS2 enjoyed a couple. They have't release any DQ games on the consoles yet. We are comparing a full LTD of support to just acouple years. I am sure the PS3 and 360 numbers will increase.


Considering that the Wii has over 50% of the market and that the Wii has so far not received any large support from SE, as opposed to the PS3 and Xbox360, you can't really say it's "bull shit". Because it ain't. Not a single good game on Wii from them.

By the logic of your DS comment, FF13 and other games should have gone to either DS or PSP. But landed on the HD consoles. Previous gen, SE had a final fantasy out within one year of the release of PS2 and had released another 3-4 games in the next 2 years (Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Unlimited Saga, can't remember the last one) so overall a good flow of good games for the market leader.

Today we see that SE basically shafted the Wii and it's hurting them financially and and image-wise. Especially if the best two games they had to offer so far in Japan were two dragon quest spin offs where one is a first person slasher and the other is a card-based rpg game with graphics from the ps2 era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yk_WEwbnhE

For me it's a blatant sign of wasted potential on SE's side. 

FFXIII is one game, and a game many has bashed, what other games has SE released on the consoles the Wii should have had?

The Wii is not the PS2, it's not going to get even half of the major third party games when just dance is such a hit, when you can do much better selling casual games on it. SE'S biggest issue is FFXIII  which took forever and so much of their resources, and then that mess you call ff14.

Bolded part holds true but only for some type of casual games.  Furthermore SE didn't even try that. The problem is not that FF13 didn't come to Wii, the problem is that no decent game at all came to the Wii from SE. We say that the Wii will never be a PS2, well that's just because someone in the companies management is to thick to realize that they never actually gave a shot at it. 

At this point SE doesn't have much to lose so they might as well try to make a game for the Wii outside of Dragon Quest X. i don't really mean something like final fantasy or kingdom hearts but something new, like last remnant was new this gen.

PS3 is barely 6m units in Japan vs the >11m units from Wii. SE had been banging it's head against the HD wall throughout the whole gen, why not try a different tactic? Make a solid effort on the Wii and there will be sales that will bring in the money.

how many new games have SE released on the PS3?


Well i don't have all the data for who published what western game in Japan but from our database we have(as far as SE is involved) Front mission evolved, Nier, Just Cause 2, Star Ocean, Last remnant. So here we have 5 games i'm sure of plus about 3 or 4 games that were probably published by SE in Japan and we have of course final fantasy 13 and vs.

I think that the quality of the games kind of show what i'm talking about, as well as their sales for the most part.

Star Ocean was released on the 360 first a full year before the PS3 version, Last Remnant PS3 was cancelled...so really its just 3 multiplat games developed by western companies that Square has released on the PS3 excluding FFXIII and VSXIII (Which isnt coming till at least 2012)

SE chose to support the 360 over the PS3 and Wii and thats where they gambled and lost



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gergroy on 23 December 2010
yanamaster said:
psrock said:

This thread seems more of the  " they didn't support the Wii" bullshit again. Blame the DS which has taken the major games in Japan. They have released one major FF game in the consoles while the PS2 enjoyed a couple. They have't release any DQ games on the consoles yet. We are comparing a full LTD of support to just acouple years. I am sure the PS3 and 360 numbers will increase.


Considering that the Wii has over 50% of the market and that the Wii has so far not received any large support from SE, as opposed to the PS3 and Xbox360, you can't really say it's "bull shit". Because it ain't. Not a single good game on Wii from them.

By the logic of your DS comment, FF13 and other games should have gone to either DS or PSP. But landed on the HD consoles. Previous gen, SE had a final fantasy out within one year of the release of PS2 and had released another 3-4 games in the next 2 years (Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Unlimited Saga, can't remember the last one) so overall a good flow of good games for the market leader.

Today we see that SE basically shafted the Wii and it's hurting them financially and and image-wise. Especially if the best two games they had to offer so far in Japan were two dragon quest spin offs where one is a first person slasher and the other is a card-based rpg game with graphics from the ps2 era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yk_WEwbnhE

For me it's a blatant sign of wasted potential on SE's side. 

when did this happen?



Aiddon on 23 December 2010

Square has definitely fallen. Their titles range from mediocre (NIER) to just plain bad (FFXIII, Front Mission Evolved). The Enix side is faring better with the DQ series and the tri-Ace catalog, but the Square presence is just sad. The only thing that's probably going to be good coming from Square is Tactics Ogre.



yo_john117 on 23 December 2010

Well maybe if they published at least one good game... >_>