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psrock on 23 December 2010
yanamaster said:
psrock said:

This thread seems more of the  " they didn't support the Wii" bullshit again. Blame the DS which has taken the major games in Japan. They have released one major FF game in the consoles while the PS2 enjoyed a couple. They have't release any DQ games on the consoles yet. We are comparing a full LTD of support to just acouple years. I am sure the PS3 and 360 numbers will increase.


Considering that the Wii has over 50% of the market and that the Wii has so far not received any large support from SE, as opposed to the PS3 and Xbox360, you can't really say it's "bull shit". Because it ain't. Not a single good game on Wii from them.

By the logic of your DS comment, FF13 and other games should have gone to either DS or PSP. But landed on the HD consoles. Previous gen, SE had a final fantasy out within one year of the release of PS2 and had released another 3-4 games in the next 2 years (Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Unlimited Saga, can't remember the last one) so overall a good flow of good games for the market leader.

Today we see that SE basically shafted the Wii and it's hurting them financially and and image-wise. Especially if the best two games they had to offer so far in Japan were two dragon quest spin offs where one is a first person slasher and the other is a card-based rpg game with graphics from the ps2 era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yk_WEwbnhE

For me it's a blatant sign of wasted potential on SE's side. 

FFXIII is one game, and a game many has bashed, what other games has SE released on the consoles the Wii should have had?

The Wii is not the PS2, it's not going to get even half of the major third party games when just dance is such a hit, when you can do much better selling casual games on it. SE'S biggest issue is FFXIII  which took forever and so much of their resources, and then that mess you call ff14.



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Chibi.V.29 on 23 December 2010
RolStoppable said:
Pavolink said:

Wii ~1.85m (LOL)

Fail. Need DQX.

He didn't mean that as insult to the Wii, but Square for being dumb enough to ignore the market leading home console of this gen.


Might be market leading but it hasnt exactly been a welcome home to 3rd partys compared to PS360 :/



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Pavolink on 23 December 2010
Chibi.V.29 said:
RolStoppable said:
Pavolink said:

Wii ~1.85m (LOL)

Fail. Need DQX.

He didn't mean that as insult to the Wii, but Square for being dumb enough to ignore the market leading home console of this gen.


Might be market leading but it hasnt exactly been a welcome home to 3rd partys compared to PS360 :/

A big mistake.



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Train wreck on 23 December 2010

Square has been ignoring nintendo since 1997.  As long as nintendo continues to offer subpar hardware (N64,GC, Wii) for the vision that square has for its final fantasy titles and other games, Square wont bring its marquee games to it.  PS/360 has shown it can move RPG software, the wii is not needed.



Chibi.V.29 on 23 December 2010
RolStoppable said:
Chibi.V.29 said:
RolStoppable said:

He didn't mean that as insult to the Wii, but Square for being dumb enough to ignore the market leading home console of this gen.

Might be market leading but it hasnt exactly been a welcome home to 3rd partys compared to PS360 :/

The Wii's third party games aren't exactly up to par compared to the PS360's, so perhaps that's why.

Maybe ^^



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Chibi.V.29 on 23 December 2010
Train wreck said:

Square has been ignoring nintendo since 1997.  As long as nintendo continues to offer subpar hardware (N64,GC, Wii) for the vision that square has for its final fantasy titles and other games, Square wont bring its marquee games to it.  PS/360 has shown it can move RPG software, the wii is not needed.

Oy i liked the N64. GC was a total disaster yes. as for the wii its not bad or anything to me its just a bit meh



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SaviorX on 23 December 2010
psrock said:
yanamaster said:
psrock said:

This thread seems more of the  " they didn't support the Wii" bullshit again. Blame the DS which has taken the major games in Japan. They have released one major FF game in the consoles while the PS2 enjoyed a couple. They have't release any DQ games on the consoles yet. We are comparing a full LTD of support to just acouple years. I am sure the PS3 and 360 numbers will increase.


Considering that the Wii has over 50% of the market and that the Wii has so far not received any large support from SE, as opposed to the PS3 and Xbox360, you can't really say it's "bull shit". Because it ain't. Not a single good game on Wii from them.

By the logic of your DS comment, FF13 and other games should have gone to either DS or PSP. But landed on the HD consoles. Previous gen, SE had a final fantasy out within one year of the release of PS2 and had released another 3-4 games in the next 2 years (Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Unlimited Saga, can't remember the last one) so overall a good flow of good games for the market leader.

Today we see that SE basically shafted the Wii and it's hurting them financially and and image-wise. Especially if the best two games they had to offer so far in Japan were two dragon quest spin offs where one is a first person slasher and the other is a card-based rpg game with graphics from the ps2 era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yk_WEwbnhE

For me it's a blatant sign of wasted potential on SE's side. 

FFXIII is one game, and a game many has bashed, what other games has SE released on the consoles the Wii should have had?

The Wii is not the PS2, it's not going to get even half of the major third party games when just dance is such a hit, when you can do much better selling casual games on it. SE'S biggest issue is FFXIII  which took forever and so much of their resources, and then that mess you call ff14.

Touchy touchy. Not everyone is out to get the Wii...

And I could've sworn I saw that Just Dance comment on my Bingo board somewhere...I must've misplaced it. Probably collecting dust as we speak.



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psrock on 23 December 2010
RolStoppable said:
Chibi.V.29 said:
RolStoppable said:

He didn't mean that as insult to the Wii, but Square for being dumb enough to ignore the market leading home console of this gen.

Might be market leading but it hasnt exactly been a welcome home to 3rd partys compared to PS360 :/

The Wii's third party games aren't exactly up to par compared to the PS360's, so perhaps that's why.

And I blame Nintendo for that



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yanamaster on 23 December 2010
psrock said:
yanamaster said:
psrock said:

This thread seems more of the  " they didn't support the Wii" bullshit again. Blame the DS which has taken the major games in Japan. They have released one major FF game in the consoles while the PS2 enjoyed a couple. They have't release any DQ games on the consoles yet. We are comparing a full LTD of support to just acouple years. I am sure the PS3 and 360 numbers will increase.


Considering that the Wii has over 50% of the market and that the Wii has so far not received any large support from SE, as opposed to the PS3 and Xbox360, you can't really say it's "bull shit". Because it ain't. Not a single good game on Wii from them.

By the logic of your DS comment, FF13 and other games should have gone to either DS or PSP. But landed on the HD consoles. Previous gen, SE had a final fantasy out within one year of the release of PS2 and had released another 3-4 games in the next 2 years (Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Unlimited Saga, can't remember the last one) so overall a good flow of good games for the market leader.

Today we see that SE basically shafted the Wii and it's hurting them financially and and image-wise. Especially if the best two games they had to offer so far in Japan were two dragon quest spin offs where one is a first person slasher and the other is a card-based rpg game with graphics from the ps2 era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yk_WEwbnhE

For me it's a blatant sign of wasted potential on SE's side. 

FFXIII is one game, and a game many has bashed, what other games has SE released on the consoles the Wii should have had?

The Wii is not the PS2, it's not going to get even half of the major third party games when just dance is such a hit, when you can do much better selling casual games on it. SE'S biggest issue is FFXIII  which took forever and so much of their resources, and then that mess you call ff14.

Bolded part holds true but only for some type of casual games.  Furthermore SE didn't even try that. The problem is not that FF13 didn't come to Wii, the problem is that no decent game at all came to the Wii from SE. We say that the Wii will never be a PS2, well that's just because someone in the companies management is to thick to realize that they never actually gave a shot at it. 

At this point SE doesn't have much to lose so they might as well try to make a game for the Wii outside of Dragon Quest X. i don't really mean something like final fantasy or kingdom hearts but something new, like last remnant was new this gen.

PS3 is barely 6m units in Japan vs the >11m units from Wii. SE had been banging it's head against the HD wall throughout the whole gen, why not try a different tactic? Make a solid effort on the Wii and there will be sales that will bring in the money.



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psrock on 23 December 2010
RolStoppable said:
psrock said:
RolStoppable said:

The Wii's third party games aren't exactly up to par compared to the PS360's, so perhaps that's why.

And I blame Nintendo for that

Well, of course. They made subpar hardware. If, in terms of horsepower, the Wii was to the PS360 what the DS is to the PSP, then third parties could have made good games for Nintendo's home console.

the difference is the PSP does not sell software, the PS360 do.

As you can remember, The PSP got major support as well early on, but faded in the west while in Japan, it gets as tons of support from 3rd party.



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