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hasanwhy on 10 December 2010
zarx said:
hasanwhy said:
Pemalite said:
hasanwhy said:
Pemalite said:
 

The PS3 can already do everything, it only needs to do it better at this point.

Here's how the PS4 should go.
Multiple Cells
Throw out the GPU entirely
Add more XRAM
Faster BD Drive
Wireless N
USB 3.0

The cost of the Cell is going to drop real quickly what with it being put in TVs and what not now. So Sony can utilize a multiple Cell architecture that requires no GPU. Simplifies the hardware, allows for smaller chipsets and maximum performance. I believe this can all be done at a relatively low cost, with some fantastic results.

Er, what?
GPU's are far more powerfull than the Cell, it would be better if they got multiple GPU's and put them together.

PC's are also several generations ahead, if you think the PS3 of Xbox 360 has "good" graphics then you are missing out.

Your first post...ah I remember mine. I said something kinda dumb too. 

Do you really think that he doesn't know that already? The graphics portion of your comment that is. 

However, the GPU vs. Cell comment is a little off. Yes, with a good GPU you can get really reaaaally intense sick graphics. But the Cell can also do the same while still being a processor at the same time. Not bad, IMHO. 

Besides, why would Sony spend millions on creating a powerful processor when they could just get better graphics with a good GPU? If what you said is true. 

Yes the cell can do some graphical effects, but it is not powerfull enough to handle an entire graphics pipeline.
Each SPE is say capable of about 25 Gflops, we chuck in 6 Cell CPU's with 8 SPE's each, that is still only 1.2 Teraflops.
Currently a Geforce GTX 570 is capable of 1405 GFLOPS. (Both running single precision calculations.)
So not only would having half a dozen Cell CPU's be more expensive (As it's not a single chip solution), but they would consume more power and will result in less performance.
Also when you have multiple chips connected but not part of the same chip, you need to factor in latency between the each chip, this will reduce the total throughput capability.

Now why did Sony design the cell? Simple.
For everything.
And it's not just Sony that designed it, IBM and Toshiba helped as well.
The idea was for use in servers, Televisions, Blu-ray players, consoles, everything! However that really has not come to fruition in full force as of yet.

And for the record, number of posts doesn't equate to me not being in the "know", that is just ignorant on your behalf.

oh goodness sir. If I was implying that you weren't in the "know", then I apologize beforehand. But really though, you really don't have to make such a tremendous effort in your argument. Its not like we're betting money here. lol 

However, please allow some personality to come through your words. We welcome online personalities with humor all the time :) 

As for the GPU, yes GPU technologies have improved to the point of it being better than say gaming console processors released back in 2006/7. But a Geforce GTX 570 is a little expensive, is it not? Doesn't it cost more than a PS3? I wouldn't be surprised if it did better than the Cell for obvious reasons. 

his post pointed out that it was better than 6 Cells in raw compute performance he forgot to mention that as it's a GPU designed specifically to do rendering that in terms of rendering speed the GPU would be an order of magnitude better than CELLs at graphics than raw compute power suggests. 

ah. 



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Kyren on 10 December 2010

The POWER OF CELL!!



What I want from a game.

Gameplay > Story > Content > Graphics

Visual Style > Graphics

Smooth Camera, Intuitive Controls

Friction! When everything feels right!

Mr Puggsly on 10 December 2010

I'm all for devices that make 360 and PS3 more powerful if they can keep it cheap and it prolongs the life of the consoles.



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fordy on 10 December 2010

I honestly don't see this becoming a reality on the PS3. PS4 maybe. The reason is simple. There is no decent external interconnection bus that can meet the needs of taking loads off the SPEs. Internal caching will help, but eventually the external device would have to post it's results back to the SPE running the program thread, which would be running millions of times faster than say the USB bus.

If PS4 is shipped with some kind of special internal interconnect bus, that interfaces direct to the memory/CPU bus, then I'd see it as a distinct possibility.



mchaza on 10 December 2010

How this would work

Games would be made to have two settings High and Normal settings just like in PC without the range.

The external drive should be an attachment like the logitech horizontal stand and another being an vertial stand. So it basically Supports the PS3 at the same time producing more power.

But all games for it would be have to be hybrid so there would be no fragmentation. This could work and be very successful. And Sony will be able to push new systems with the hardware built in and get existing customers to upgrade there system like the slim Again, like Microsoft did with the elite then the slim, This doesn't stop Sony from doing it again.

really i rather have this then folk out another several hundred for an new system. 



Of Course That's Just My Opinion, I Could Be Wrong

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A203D on 10 December 2010
Mr Puggsly said:

I'm all for devices that make 360 and PS3 more powerful if they can keep it cheap and it prolongs the life of the consoles.

I dont mind it either, but how will they implement it, because some people are bound to be unaware of this at all, and i dont like the idea of having an external add on to my PS3. i just want my PS3 to be a standalone unit.

i suppose they could release a new PS3 model, which incorperates those new components, and then older users can have their units upgraded at the Sony store.

but is this even necessary because developers are finding it very expensive to make games anyway, and if we look at stuff like Uncharted of God of War, it seems like developers can still do a lot with the hardware, as those games are by no mean obsolete at this point.



Zkuq on 10 December 2010

RAM ffs.



Ferryarthur on 10 December 2010
SpartenOmega117 said:

I wonder how much it will cost? They will likely start building this in the console itself in the coming year. Sounds cool but yeah it could confuse the market. I can see a future where some games require hthis add on and a random consumer takes home a game like uncharted 3 and will not be able to play it because he would need this add on. I wonder if they could make games that could work on both. Sort of like the PC except if you buy this you will get better performance.

Im hoping for the second, just increased peformance of you have the upgrade. The first would suck quite a bit.



Chibi.V.29 on 10 December 2010
Parasitic said:

Has Sony gone mad?!

 

Assuming this is true, I'm wondering if current games would get some kind of performance boost ...


If i had to make an assumption it would be all games would have 2 graphics settings.One with he add on one without.



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Squilliam on 10 December 2010

This would help the PS3 in game web browser, other behind the scenes OS tasks and between 1 and 5 titles.



Tease.