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Solid_Snake4RD on 05 November 2010
Shorty11857 said:
gekkokamen said:

it's not 3 million or 3.9, or whatever, it's around 500K right now. The whole worldwide gap has been overcome. ANYWAY there are MORE FUNCTIONING PS3s in the worldwide world, and that's what it counts ANYWAY!!!! People who bought a system that no longer functions don't buy software or add-ons or pay susbscriptions!


360 44.5 million shipped
PS3 41.62 million shipped

Unless Sony have shipped 2.5 million more than Microsoft in the last month it's pretty close to 3 million


he is talking about the figure Major nelson put out,42m just after sony's results of 41.6m shipped so the whole net thought the gap was down to 400k

it wrong though

by shipped figures,the gap is 2.9m



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Solid_Snake4RD on 05 November 2010
Squilliam said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:

Well beyond the point most people don't care anymore if at all. Oh and I think most people stopped caring already.


who is talking about caring,we debate on this site on all kinds of things

 

now if you just debate and and predict just because you want to fight over it,that is you squill

Its been debated for so long.

PS3 will outsell 360 by:

2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012

Another year of the PS3 not outselling the 360 and yet here we are with people talking about it like it matters anymore.

the gap was around 8m last time when PS3 had a pricecut and

 

the gap is 2.9m shipped now and decreasing.

 

it will be lower than this or even if it stays equivalent to this till the next PS3 pricecut

PS3 will outsell 360 easily

 

not if you just want to nullify a valid reason then its your choice

 

and not many debated PS3 would outsell 360 all of those years so keep making up your comments

Bold 1: You're comparing Vgchartz numbers and shipped numbers.

Bold 2: If you'd actually read / participated since 2007 you would know differently.


i wasn't comparing VGC numbers with shipped numbers

 

i just put out shipped numbers as lately the huge adjustments have been going around so i took shipped numbers for a while,they are 1m apart right now though.Shipped gap is aty 2.9 and VGC gap is at 3.9m

and i have been on this site since 2008 start so i know what they have been dabting about

yeah there were debate's about PS3 outselling 360 at 2008 start but after the 360 price-cut happened,people never claimed that PS3 would outsell 360 in 2009,they all had it for late 2010 and 2011.

as the christmas 2008 came near and the gap increased immensely,people predicted it would be 2011 then.

 

yeah a few like always being bias went for the immediate outselling but those are few and were never taken seriously

 

so you adding every year since launch and trying to make it look like a big deal is wrong which i wanted to point out.



Shorty11857 on 05 November 2010
gekkokamen said:
Shorty11857 said:
gekkokamen said:

it's not 3 million or 3.9, or whatever, it's around 500K right now. The whole worldwide gap has been overcome. ANYWAY there are MORE FUNCTIONING PS3s in the worldwide world, and that's what it counts ANYWAY!!!! People who bought a system that no longer functions don't buy software or add-ons or pay susbscriptions!


360 44.5 million shipped
PS3 41.62 million shipped

Unless Sony have shipped 2.5 million more than Microsoft in the last month it's pretty close to 3 million

They could've shipped even more than that EASILY, seeing as Sony covers a much bigger grid worldwide, are you aware of that? So yeah, it's only a matter of a couple of months before it becomes official. There are more PS3s , and functioning ones lots more than 360s too!

If they could have shipped 2.5 million more than Microsoft in a month then they'd be set to ship at least 7.5 million more than Microsoft this quarter, so no matter how many countries they're in they could never have managed this

Solid Snake4RD: Oh yeah I forgot about that, I even saw some people saying the gap was only 100k, some people seem to have an amazing ability to be selective with their facts



dunno001 on 05 November 2010

In all honesty, I don't think it will. For the entire generation, things have been going back and forth between Sony and Microsoft; I think Kinect will be what it takes to swing things back toward MS for about another year, before Sony does something that swings things back to them.



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Michael-5 on 05 November 2010
Capulous said:
Michael-5 said:
 

Microsoft won't let Sony beat them because if the PS3 outsells the 360, MS gaming reputation will be hurt badly. Sony doesn't want to loose either, but MS has larger pockets, and will always retain Americas dominance (so sales will never strongly favor one HD console over the other). I mean just look at Kinect, on it's own it has enough selling potential to keep up with the PS3 Move, but MS still decided to throw a 100 million dollar marketing budget at it.

So assuming both successor consoles are launched on the same year, I would give this range on the sales difference. Minimum 1 million (PS3 outsells the 360 by an average of 20% in the next couple years), Maximum 7 (360 outsells the PS3 by an average of 20%). Both options look equal to me, I know a $200 PS3 should push sales, but a $100 Arcade 360. Thats more tempting, especially since by that point talks of a successor console will be happening.

I don't think that would happen. See what the 360 has done compared to what the original Xbox did. I think MS will be fine and they will continue to do well if it happens.

But imagine the reputation MS would have built if they overthrew Sony, and was the best selling HD console to date? Both consoels sell about equally, and even if Sony does establish a lead on sales in 2011 (which will be hard because even without Kinect the 360 is still the best selling console in Americas), it won't be by much.

The only way I see Sony having a chance at overtaking the 360 is if Sony makes an arcade model, but even then I'm unsure. Even with a price cut to $200, MS will do the same, and have the arcade for $130 or less. EVEN IF PS3 somehow manages to significantly outsell the 360 in the next 2 years with the price cut, 360's are still cheaper to produce, so MS can easily bring the price down, so that a similar trend in 2008 happens (MS had peak lead).

Remember this is the first year Sony is actually making a profit on PS3 hardware sales, if MS brought their consoles price down to cost, PS3 just wouldn't be able to match it. Sony is already putting in everything they got, if MS did the same, it would garentee second.



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Michael-5 on 05 November 2010
theonewhoisme said:
Michael-5 said:
theonewhoisme said:

I've always been sure it eventually would happen, after all ps3 has been outselling 360 pretty much constantly since launch, and especially recently it has become clear that it's going to happen it's only a matter of when. 

Anyways it's hard to say when, despite having higher software sales and most likely a higher userbase (since so many 360s broke compared to ps3s) 360 has managed to keep the lead from it's headstart, anyways If I were to guessed I'd say the ps3 will outsell the 360 in total sales around march 2012 I mean 360 doesn't even have any good exclusives coming out next year, but it hasn't had many for awhile and still manages to sell anyways thats my prediction 

These types of threads just cause flame wars, but I'll still give my 2 cents. First let me point out all the wrong things you have said in your post.

1. PS3 has not been outselling the 360 consistantly since launch. In fact the greatest difference in sales was only in Fall 2008 (8.1 million). PS3 versus 360 sales have been fluctuating since launch, and it was only this year that Sony finally brought the difference between PS3's and 360's to below the initial, and not really by much.

2. As for recent sales, you never know. Sony generally outsold the 360 from September 2009 to June 2010, then MS had the advantage for about 4 months, and now PS3 is ahead again due to Move....but what will Kinect do? I think because of a lack of an exclusive lineup (until GT5's release date is confirmed) this fall, and because Kinect will be getting a larger marketing push, 360 will outsell the PS3 this fall, and judguing from to 10 week countdown, most people agree. The fight for sales when it comes to PS3 and 360 is like a tetter totter, when one jumps the other falls, but then the other jumps back. Price Cut, Slim, Slim, Move, Kinect, Price Cut, Price Cut, discontinue...

3. Good exclusives are argueable, I've seen a few threads and well actually 360 has just as many good exclusives for 2011 as PS3. It's just 360 has a strong fall line-up, so most people aren't focusing on it. Outside from Gears, Forza, and Halo, there is also MechWarrior, XCOM, Prey 2, etc. There is also rumor that FFXIII Versus might go multiplatform (like FFXIII also an exclusive did)

4. Also this year 360 has seen just as many good exclusives as PS3, lets just stop with this one here cause this type of topic always leads to a fan-war. People just have different preferences. Heavy Rain, or Alan Wake? God of War or Splinter Cell? Fable or White Knight Chronicles? Halo or Gran Turismo 5? Mass Effect 2 or Atelier Rorana, Metro 2033 or Mod Nation Racers? Crackdown 2 or MAG? Kinect or Move exclusives? Goes on and on...

Now my opinion? IMHO I do not beleive the PS3 will outsell the 360, unless the PS4 comes out a year after the 360 does. This year is the last big year for PS3 and 360 sales, and I see it going to the 360. Even if PS3 outsells the 360 in the next couple years, the difference will be less then 20%, probably even less then 10%. Thats not enough to outsell the 360, and if Kinect takes off PS3 has no hope.

Microsoft won't let Sony beat them because if the PS3 outsells the 360, MS gaming reputation will be hurt badly. Sony doesn't want to loose either, but MS has larger pockets, and will always retain Americas dominance (so sales will never strongly favor one HD console over the other). I mean just look at Kinect, on it's own it has enough selling potential to keep up with the PS3 Move, but MS still decided to throw a 100 million dollar marketing budget at it.

So assuming both successor consoles are launched on the same year, I would give this range on the sales difference. Minimum 1 million (PS3 outsells the 360 by an average of 20% in the next couple years), Maximum 7 (360 outsells the PS3 by an average of 20%). Both options look equal to me, I know a $200 PS3 should push sales, but a $100 Arcade 360. Thats more tempting, especially since by that point talks of a successor console will be happening.

1. I know it hasn't been consistent I admit I worded that badly, but ps3 has been outselling 360 alot more often then 360 has been outselling ps3

2. MS didn't have the advantage, and move didn't make the difference, VG chartz was just wrong, look at the shipped numbers, unless you think Sony is shipping more and more every quarter without their first shipment selling and kinect isn't going to do anymore then move, they'll cancel each other out, move will probably do better in the long run 

3. Those games aren't exclusive, most of them are 360/pc with a chance to come to ps3 as for FFXIII it was announced multiplat over a year before launch I hardly call that an exclusive, maybe formerly announced as an exclusive, and while yes versus has a chance to go multiplat I doubt it, the game was developed for the ps3 and is an action rpg not a turnbased one, it would be alot harder to port and they have less time, if it does go multiplat it would get delayed into 2012 

4. Not really, you over looked both demon's souls and valkyria chronicles for white knight chronicles the worst of the 3 not to mention uncharted to gears and infamous to crackdown would have been better comparisons, conviction is a timed exclusive (every single splinter cell game has been a timed exclusive) and mass effect 2 has been announced for ps3 besides the games you listed what do you have forza? I could add 10 games easily to the ones you mentioned for ps3 

lol ps3 has been outselling 360 the whole year except for 1 week when reach launched and kinect isn't going to do much, and again 360s games are dwindling and Sony has a lock on all developing markets, worse case they shift focus and outsell after 360 is discounted, but I doubt it will even go that far, and relative to time ps3 has been selling more anyways so your point of it not mattering is kinda moot 

Kinect doesn't have potential, the concept has potential but the actual tech doesn't, the hype will fade soon enough, you'll see, as for 360 dominate in NA, they aren't ahead by that much in NA now and losing ALL of the other world, NA might be the biggest market but it isn't bigger then the rest of the world put together 

So your saying the only possible way 360 could outsell ps3 lifetime is if it was on the market for a year longer, that seems to be accurate, but even if they both successors came out on the same year ps3 would still outsell 360 because of Sony's lock on developing countries that 360 doesn't even ship to 

1. Not really, Microsoft had a huge jump in September 2008, and that held to September 2009, where PS3's jump only lasted until June. Then MS had a little over 3 months of dominance, then the Move will give Sony 2, then after that I think Kinect will hold fans over for a while, so MS dominance.

2. Wrong numbers? Poor arguement... Shipped figures do not reflect sold units, remember MS just introduced a new model 360, it had to sell off all old models, and probably had difficulty producing so many new 360's. As for Move doing better then Kinect, it's possible, but I doubt it. Thats my opinion, either way Sony will not hold dominant sales in 2011 (Up to Fall), at best it will only break even with Microsoft.

3. How many people have a gaming quality PC? If you ever compare multi-console/PC games, PC game sales are close to 1/10th console game sales. A game releasing on a PC still makes it a console exclusive, and that still is a valid arguement for exclusivity. Even then most 360 exclusives for 2011, are complete exclusives and do not see a PC version.

As for FFXIII it was announced multiplatform 6 months before its Japanese launch and 9 months before it's worldwide launch. As for FFXIII Versus, anything is possible, graphically it's completly possible to run it on the 360, it's not that different from RE5, just the 360 version will need like 3 Disks to account for all the HD videos.

4. Demon Souls and Valkeria Chronicles came out in 2009 in Americas, so for me they aren't 2010 games. Uncharted and InFAMOUS are also 2009 games, You said recently 360 has seen less exclusives then PS3 and in 2010 that is definatly not the case. I just wanted to prove your statement in your initial post is false, and it's true, in 2010 360 had at least the same # of exclusives if not more. Just a matter of preference.

Spliner Cell Conviction has not been announced to for the PS3, so right now it's exclusives, and ME2 can only be bought on 360/PS3 right now right? So it's exclusive. you also don't get the same DLC support on the PS3 version, so ME3 for PS3 will always be inferior to ME2 360.

I could also easily add 10 more games to that list I made, those were just 2010 exclusives. Just because you don't like 360 exclusives, don't go out an use that as an arguement to why PS3 would outsell 360 in the future. Last I checked PS3/360 exclusives sell about the same.

LMAO at the underlined bit, so wrong. Since the 360 Slim 360 has been outselling the PS3 except until just after Reach. Kinect will also be massive, with a 100 million dollar marketing budget, how couldn't it? As for 360 exclusive dwidling, already proved you wrong on that one, and you tried to add 2009 PS3 exclusives, but....just no buddy.

Okay I'm going to stop here, I see there is no reasoning with you. Think what you want, but if you make thread like this you will end up getting banned..... wait a sec....

I look forward to having a reasonable debate with you in the future.



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Michael-5 on 05 November 2010
Shorty11857 said:
gekkokamen said:
Shorty11857 said:
gekkokamen said:

it's not 3 million or 3.9, or whatever, it's around 500K right now. The whole worldwide gap has been overcome. ANYWAY there are MORE FUNCTIONING PS3s in the worldwide world, and that's what it counts ANYWAY!!!! People who bought a system that no longer functions don't buy software or add-ons or pay susbscriptions!


360 44.5 million shipped
PS3 41.62 million shipped

Unless Sony have shipped 2.5 million more than Microsoft in the last month it's pretty close to 3 million

They could've shipped even more than that EASILY, seeing as Sony covers a much bigger grid worldwide, are you aware of that? So yeah, it's only a matter of a couple of months before it becomes official. There are more PS3s , and functioning ones lots more than 360s too!

If they could have shipped 2.5 million more than Microsoft in a month then they'd be set to ship at least 7.5 million more than Microsoft this quarter, so no matter how many countries they're in they could never have managed this

Solid Snake4RD: Oh yeah I forgot about that, I even saw some people saying the gap was only 100k, some people seem to have an amazing ability to be selective with their facts

Shipped units mean nothing, its units sold that counts. Remember Kinect wasn't shipped out when that figure was made, but PS3 Move bundles were. MS expects to sell 5 million Kinects by the end of the fisical year, so there is probably at least 2 million Kinect bundled 360's shipped since that figure was made.



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Michael-5 on 05 November 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:

Well beyond the point most people don't care anymore if at all. Oh and I think most people stopped caring already.


who is talking about caring,we debate on this site on all kinds of things

 

now if you just debate and and predict just because you want to fight over it,that is you squill

Its been debated for so long.

PS3 will outsell 360 by:

2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012

Another year of the PS3 not outselling the 360 and yet here we are with people talking about it like it matters anymore.

the gap was around 8m last time when PS3 had a pricecut and

 

the gap is 2.9m shipped now and decreasing.

 

it will be lower than this or even if it stays equivalent to this till the next PS3 pricecut

PS3 will outsell 360 easily

 

not if you just want to nullify a valid reason then its your choice

 

and not many debated PS3 would outsell 360 all of those years so keep making up your comments

Bold 1: You're comparing Vgchartz numbers and shipped numbers.

Bold 2: If you'd actually read / participated since 2007 you would know differently.


i wasn't comparing VGC numbers with shipped numbers

 

i just put out shipped numbers as lately the huge adjustments have been going around so i took shipped numbers for a while,they are 1m apart right now though.Shipped gap is aty 2.9 and VGC gap is at 3.9m

and i have been on this site since 2008 start so i know what they have been dabting about

yeah there were debate's about PS3 outselling 360 at 2008 start but after the 360 price-cut happened,people never claimed that PS3 would outsell 360 in 2009,they all had it for late 2010 and 2011.

as the christmas 2008 came near and the gap increased immensely,people predicted it would be 2011 then.

 

yeah a few like always being bias went for the immediate outselling but those are few and were never taken seriously

 

so you adding every year since launch and trying to make it look like a big deal is wrong which i wanted to point out.

Difference in September 2009 - 8.1 million units sold

Difference now - 3 million shipped, but 3.9 million sold

Looks like you compared shipped to sold figures.

As for old debates, I think Squilliam, didn't you give me a link to a 2007 thread where people predicted the PS3 to outsell the 360 by 2008? I read a lo of funny posts in the thread, I should have book marked it. A lot of people on this website thought 360 was just going to die off at 30 million..LOL

The fact of the matter is there are a lot more PS3 hardcore fans on this site then 360. So people are always going to talk about PS3's "success" and when it will overtake the 360. To put it simply, this probably will just not happen, not even with a price cut to $200 on the PS3. Remember MS is actually making a profit on their 360's, Sony only started doing that recently. MS has a lot more power to price cut, and with Kinect having a 100 million dollar marketing campaign, it's looking grim for PS3.



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Pyramid12 on 05 November 2010
Michael-5 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:

Well beyond the point most people don't care anymore if at all. Oh and I think most people stopped caring already.


who is talking about caring,we debate on this site on all kinds of things

 

now if you just debate and and predict just because you want to fight over it,that is you squill

Its been debated for so long.

PS3 will outsell 360 by:

2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012

Another year of the PS3 not outselling the 360 and yet here we are with people talking about it like it matters anymore.

the gap was around 8m last time when PS3 had a pricecut and

 

the gap is 2.9m shipped now and decreasing.

 

it will be lower than this or even if it stays equivalent to this till the next PS3 pricecut

PS3 will outsell 360 easily

 

not if you just want to nullify a valid reason then its your choice

 

and not many debated PS3 would outsell 360 all of those years so keep making up your comments

Bold 1: You're comparing Vgchartz numbers and shipped numbers.

Bold 2: If you'd actually read / participated since 2007 you would know differently.


i wasn't comparing VGC numbers with shipped numbers

 

i just put out shipped numbers as lately the huge adjustments have been going around so i took shipped numbers for a while,they are 1m apart right now though.Shipped gap is aty 2.9 and VGC gap is at 3.9m

and i have been on this site since 2008 start so i know what they have been dabting about

yeah there were debate's about PS3 outselling 360 at 2008 start but after the 360 price-cut happened,people never claimed that PS3 would outsell 360 in 2009,they all had it for late 2010 and 2011.

as the christmas 2008 came near and the gap increased immensely,people predicted it would be 2011 then.

 

yeah a few like always being bias went for the immediate outselling but those are few and were never taken seriously

 

so you adding every year since launch and trying to make it look like a big deal is wrong which i wanted to point out.

Difference in September 2009 - 8.1 million units sold

Difference now - 3 million shipped, but 3.9 million sold

Looks like you compared shipped to sold figures.

As for old debates, I think Squilliam, didn't you give me a link to a 2007 thread where people predicted the PS3 to outsell the 360 by 2008? I read a lo of funny posts in the thread, I should have book marked it. A lot of people on this website thought 360 was just going to die off at 30 million..LOL

The fact of the matter is there are a lot more PS3 hardcore fans on this site then 360. So people are always going to talk about PS3's "success" and when it will overtake the 360. To put it simply, this probably will just not happen, not even with a price cut to $200 on the PS3. Remember MS is actually making a profit on their 360's, Sony only started doing that recently. MS has a lot more power to price cut, and with Kinect having a 100 million dollar marketing campaign, it's looking grim for PS3.


How bout when ps3 launched there where even ppl are saying it wouldn't top 5m and die off? did you see that of course you didn't only the 360 side............

what about the ps3 will be the new dream cast and get discontinued??? did you see that? of course not......

how about those times when 360 trolls were shouting ps3 is dead and haz no gamez back in 2007??? did you catch those? no?  why I should have known......

what about sony will quit the gaming business?? no?? missed it too???

your last last paragraph is full of BS 360 die hard fans here are just as bad and as many as the others you just see PS fans as the only evil ones for some reason.

either because you missed the good ol hay day when the 360 die hard fanboys were trashing ps3 24/7 or your one of the 360 die hard fan yourself, reading your posts im going with the latter you don't need to be a genius to figure that out just look @ "ps3 is looking grim".

yeh its looking grim that why its been trashing the 360 weekly despite having no major title release(GT5)  and the GAP has shrunk to 3m, your good at hiding your 360 bias I'll give you that.

keep wave that microsoft flag my friend.



Solid_Snake4RD on 05 November 2010
Michael-5 said:

Difference in September 2009 - 8.1 million units sold

Difference now - 3 million shipped, but 3.9 million sold

Looks like you compared shipped to sold figures.

look again,inver did compare anything

As for old debates, I think Squilliam, didn't you give me a link to a 2007 thread where people predicted the PS3 to outsell the 360 by 2008? I read a lo of funny posts in the thread, I should have book marked it. A lot of people on this website thought 360 was just going to die off at 30 million..LOL

quote squill and reply that to him not me,you have been doing  alot like that

tying to make people jump into debate that others started,i am gonna report if you again do this

The fact of the matter is there are a lot more PS3 hardcore fans on this site then 360. So people are always going to talk about PS3's "success" and when it will overtake the 360.

PS3 has more fans?????where have you been last 6 months 360 fans have been all over this place

and it is not the fact why this type of thread comes up again and again

it is simpler than your thinking

when a console has a bigger brand name then it is expected to outsell the other and with incetives like big pricecuts remaining,people expect it too.

To put it simply, this probably will just not happen, not even with a price cut to $200 on the PS3. Remember MS is actually making a profit on their 360's, Sony only started doing that recently. MS has a lot more power to price cut,

you talk about $200 pricecut and then counter it with argument or power to pricecut.........................that is messed up

 

and with Kinect having a 100 million dollar marketing campaign,

its $500m not $100

it's looking grim for PS3.

yeah thats why it is beating every console in weekly sales

that comment would have been justified if PS3 was struggling currently and $500 marketing campaign was coming but its foolish when PS3 is actually winning and 360 has to make some fround up and then beat the PS3 in weekly

but it wouldn't matter with you,you can keep making mistake with your info,keep twisting the way you want to make your point and try to maket people enter into a debate with you.