Solid_Snake4RD said:
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Michael-5 said:
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the gap was around 8m last time when PS3 had a pricecut and
the gap is 2.9m shipped now and decreasing.
You did say that exactly did you not? 8 million sold to 3 million shipped? Sold compared to shipped?
cause the shipped figure was also around 8m the same as sold when PS3 had a pricecut
2 - I quoted the conversation, that comment was intended for squilliam, whats wrong with that? Trying to make him jump into the debate? I quoted him, lol. (Edited, Said Squal instead of Squilliam).
Don't be angry because you got banned twice last time you debated with me, please try to stay civil.
i am not being agry,warning you is being civil about what your habits are.you improve them,then others won't need to tell you
3- Brand name isn't everything, wasn't Nintendo beat when Sony came into the market, and is Nintendo not #1 again despite having 2 system selling far more poorly then the competition?
You can't assume things, just because you want them to happen
brand name is actually one of the biggest things along with price
ninty was beat by sony when PS1 came cause of many reasons.delay in N64,lower third party support as always.ninty consoles keep changin their names so people have trouble recognizing them which would have helped them if they followed the same name like XBOX,PLAYSTATION,etc
4- It's called logic. a) a price cut won't do much, b) If I'm wrong, MS will make a bigger price cut. That way I have to be wrong twice to be wrong, which is significantly less likely then being wrong once.
LOGIC THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF
Pirce cut would do big things
and you are wrong MS won't do a bigger pricecut and they can't,they can't make a bigger price cut than $100 which would take 360 4gb to $100 and that wouldn't happen as they would not push that much at this stage
just because you have to be wrong twice doesn't mean you can;t be wrong,you know you will be and you have been wrong
stupid theory.you can be delusional and give yourself confidence over your predictions but they are gonna fall flat
5- See I make mistakes on Kinect too. Wow $500 million, are you sure? They may as well just buy a bunce of Kinects and give them out..
what is that supposed to mean.your comment makes it sound more like you made mistakes on choice not by mistakenly.if you were with good intentions,they will be recognized.what you do it trying to be recognized by intention where you fail
and your theory of them buying out a bunch of kinects and giving them out won't work
as Kinect costs $150 and they would only be able to give around 3m kinects with that money.
also that is only to existing 360 owners so thjat would defeat the purpuse of new owners
6- PS3 sales have jumped decently due to Move releasing, don't you think Kinect won't boost 360 sales as well? With that huge marketing campaign, and a pretty interesting device, how can it fail?
i don't think PS3 sales have just jumped because of MOVE
a week ago you wouldn't have said that cause of the sales before adjustments
just because SONY shipment figures were high,VGC team just allocated sales here and there and at the same time MOVE release so they put alot of sales there to justify the discrepancies
but if you are following the shipped figures,the PS3 has been selling consistently more than VGC so for just now don't go on believing the adjustement.
i'm not saying that move didn't cause anything and that kinect won't.just that PS3 was already selling well before MOVE just the VGC figures were not upto it
this recent adjustment is also the reason i took the shipped figures and not the VGC figures in this thread
Kinect is new and COOL and will do well with the big marketing campaignn but that would be for a certain time which is till christmas
there are alot of problems which will hurt it.
it has a pre-image which its formed over the years cause its not a new console and till now its seen as a mans toys and not friendly to families
the kinect is expensive.
the kinect is not an all in one pakage.yeah there are bundles but a normal average consumer has problems when thing come differently
all these problems are for new consumers
another thing is that most people who would be looking at kinect,move have already been on a bandwagon of wii.
they know that its all cool and gets boring after some time so they would also have problems deciding whether to purchase or not cause they don't want to go through the same process again
7- Now thats just insulting an uncalled for. You should probably keep this stuff out of the debate, it doesn't help your arguement at all, and just makes the forums look crumy.
that wasn't insulting just an advice that you never seem to take and repeat the same behavior again and again
before telling me to keep this kind of stuff out,you should also consider what others told you to keep out of their threads and disucssing which you bring up again and again.you respect people and take their advice,they will take yours and respect you
and you don't help any argument and you should know that before telling others
you keep on going about what you say and make big walls of text but never listen to others
another key advice:your replies are always bigger than,rarely anybody's replies go as big as yours which should tell you how much you try to tell other but when they try to tell you you don't get it
so shorten the telling part and increase the listening part,it is good if you have a balance not one sided
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Man do you have to reply within my quotations? It gets so confusing this way.
1- I read the shipment difference was 8.5 million at peak. Still it's sold that matters, Initially there was a 5 million gap, Peak 360 gap was 8.1 million, currently 3.9 million, and I didn't check after the adjustment, but I bet before the 360 Slim launch it was even lower (3.5 maybe?).
2- Dunno what your talking about, I quoted you and Squilliam, I'm allowed to respond to both people. Think your just trying to give me a bad reputation, even though I didn't do anthing wrong here.
3- Dunno about that one, even my parents knew Gamecube was Nintendo. and Nintendo 64, not Nintendo enough..
Funny you mention the delay in the N64 and the lack of third party support as your reason why the N64 failed, didn't the Wii do the exact same thing and become successful?
Also Playstation Brand-name is not really that much more established then Microsoft gameingwise. I mean in Americas region, 360 outsells PS3 5:3, and in EMEAA they are almost even. It's been 4 years since PS3 launched, if Brand name were that big I'm sure the 360 wouldn't have kept pace for so long.
4- All you did was insult my comment, but didn't provide a counter arguement.
Also I don't think the arcade will go down to $100, but $130. The difference in price is the hard drive, and just like the cost of the 360, the cost of the hard drive goes down too. It's not necessarily in increments of $100.
5- I made mistakes by choice? huh? That wouldn't be a mistake anymore.
Okay seriously, stop with the hate, I know our past debates lead to you being banned on these forums, but please debate. Don't return every comment I had with essenially "lies""your bad" or "bias." I want to have a proper debate..
BTW MS buying Kinects was a joke, but if they can afford 3M Kinects with their marketing budget, they must expect the peripheral to sell moderatly well.
6- So PS3 sales jumping from 150k weekly sales (which it held for months) to 240k weekly sales from Sept 11th to Oct 2nd was for what reason? Unlike Halo which spiked sales for 1 or two weeks, Move holds it up. Console bundles are not limited, and it appeals to a broad audience.
Two weeks ago I didn't think Move would budge PS3 sales, and I was wrong, just like VGChartz was before the adjustment.
No look at Nintendo's press conference, they have charts showing PS3 sales jumped during Move, I thought that too, that the Move bump as too high, but it wasn't really. Before Move, 360 was outselling the PS3.
I don't understand that underlined bit, people thought Kinect was a man toy? First of all, whats a man toy, and if your refering to the hardcore audience, exactly what is it about Dance Central and Kinect Adventures that appeals to the hardcore audience??
Kinect is not an all in one package? huh? It's 1 camera, there is no second peice. Move is not an all in one package, and purchase options can be confusing for that.
Also Move is expensive too. Both charge a $100 extra when bundled with a console, the only difference is standalone Kinect costs $150. However the PS3 Move bundles only account for 1 move controller, no navigation controller ($30 extra), and if you play with friends, a second controller is $40? (right?), plus a second navigation controller ($30). So both peripherals are expensive, but Move seems to be pushing a lot of consoles, I don't see why Kinect won't.
What problems about Kinect are you refering to? and since kinect appeals to a casual audience, I don't think it's appeal will be limited to the 2 month period before christmas 2010. It's going to be pushing consoles all year round.
As for your opinion on Wii, thats your opinion. I know a lot of people who bought a Wii day 1 and still love it. Hardcore gamers might get bored of it, but the vast majority of the Wii audience is not a hardcore gamer. So who knows what they are thinking. I bet a lot of fitness nuts who bought a Wii Fit look at Kinect as a much more efficient exercise machine.
7- What are you talking about? What exactly have I done that's not respective of you? Your accusing me of choosing my mistakes, twisting the truth around, and trying to make people enter a debate? Squilliam was the person I quoted! How could I try to force him into a debate? He was the one in it first, and I was just backing him up.
What advice do you have for me? Look I don't unsult you, or acuse you of things, I keep to the topic at hand, and all I ask in return is you do the same. I do not want a repeat of your behaviour last time.
I have no clue what your talking about in the underlined part at the end. Who told me to keep out of threads, and bringing what up again and again. Sorry I don't mean to insult you here, but you really should proof read or something before you post. Just going to underline what I don't understand.
I do listen, I debate. I don't take others opinions without supporting evidence and accept it as a garenteed situation. PS3 sales have risen because of Move, I listened to your VGChartz numbers are off point, and I replied thats not quite true if you ever see some graphs from Nintendo's Press Conference (which shows PS3 sales jump after the launch of Move). Just because I don't agree, and respond with a counter arguement, doesn't mean I don't listen.
I write a wall of text because I don't think you ever understand my reasoning. I don't think you understand because you usually don't come back with a counter arguement, usually you just brush off what I have to say and make a new point. Also a lot of good debaters (like CGI off the top of my head), write long comments too, thats not a bad thing, it just means we have put thought into the subject. I also write complete sentances, and reply to every point made, I don't pick and choose, so it takes up a lot of space.
