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Galaki said:

LoL. No point arguing anymore when I have to explain the obvious.

Don't argue, just explain what sales have to do with his comments.



                            

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CGI-Quality said:
Antabus said:

Uh. He made a question "defense mode already?" and did not specify the person on defense mode. I agreed on the defense mode and referred to the person whose post I quoted as "you". If I was referring yo you, I would have said "he". :P

Let's just part on it. Just understand what you quoted and said conflict one another.

I was not going to argue with you but... you failed to understand the context of my post. It is not my fault.



Well it's a pretty dam good toy.

At least it ain't a dam QTE fest.



I think I can make the difference between a bad movie and a video game.



Pixel Art can be fun.

While it is possible the comments were taken out of context, the intent certainly appears to be to belittle the Wii. And since this is not the first time that David Cage has made this type of statement (see 2008), he does not get the benefit of the doubt.

What statements of this type demonstrate is that there are people who cannot figure out how a machine that is clearly technologically inferior to its competition has sold more.  This is the first time that it has really happened in the video game industry since the crash of 1983/1984. (To be truthful, the more advanced machine usually did not win and often it was the least advanced machine. But in all previous generations, the differences were small while this time they are dramatic.)

If you want to see another example of the industry belittling the Wii, check out Industry Gamers. In particular, read the Ubisoft interview: http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ubisoft-we-want-to-get-america-dancing/ and http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ubisoft-defends-wii-were-not-sounding-the-death-knell-on-it-yet/

Ironically, the Wii's seasonal  sales pattern makes it to more toy-like than consoles have been recently (not that other consoles do not have seasonal peaks). But a lot of people seem to forget how many Wiis sold last holiday and the price cuts by the other two consoles. 

Mike from Morgantown

 



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

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It would be beneficial if those who create GAMES not be so full of themselves.  I have had deeper and more rewarding experiences, with more replayability, playing some boardgames than I have had playing a number of videogames.  The pretention that you think you creating a game needs to be thought of as some work of art is of higher form than even movies is absurd.  Get over yourself designers.  Stop trying to think you need to do movies.  Your compete with movies experience will end up bankrupting the industry for one thing.  And, when you have such pretention, you do something like, "Press X to Jason" ends up looking WAY out of place.

Now excuse me if my next game I play is Kirby's Epic Yarn.  Sorry if this is too much of a toy and too boardgamish for you game designer.



CGI-Quality said:

He hasn't really belittled the Wii here, just saying it's pull is for a more family oriented, casual crowd. The Wii audience doesn't go for what the PS3 audience goes for and vice versa.

On the issue of belittling/insulting/trash talking or whatever, let's stop pretending that Nintendo is a helpless victim all the time.

Things are said, points are made. We're not always going to like/agree with it, but they happen. I just think this was blown out of proportion (which is not uncommon).


Your point about Nintendo's comments are off-base here as I am talking about third parties trashing the Wii, not first-party trash talking (of which there is a lot to go around).

And what it appears to me that he said is that the Wii is a toy and the PS3 is superior. And while the latter is true from a technological perspective, a lot of people must be ignorant because they have selected the Wii for their game playing. And my point is that this is something that those who feel that only technological advances drive gaming cannot understand.



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

Wii Friend Code: 1624 6601 1126 1492

NNID: Mike_INTV

@CGI-Quality:

If all Cage wanted to say is that they target different gamers he should've said so and left out words like "jouet" (toy) and implying that one is a stronger experience than the other. You can be oif the opinion that one is a stronger experience for you but that's highly subjective. People have different experiences, simple as that.

The way he said it does sound insulting implying that one is more of a real/true video game experience than the other.



richardhutnik said:

It would be beneficial if those who create GAMES not be so full of themselves.  I have had deeper and more rewarding experiences, with more replayability, playing some boardgames than I have had playing a number of videogames.  The pretention that you think you creating a game needs to be thought of as some work of art is of higher form than even movies is absurd.  Get over yourself designers.  Stop trying to think you need to do movies.  Your compete with movies experience will end up bankrupting the industry for one thing.  And, when you have such pretention, you do something like, "Press X to Jason" ends up looking WAY out of place.

Now excuse me if my next game I play is Kirby's Epic Yarn.  Sorry if this is too much of a toy and too boardgamish for you game designer.

Read what he said in french. He was not at all dismissive about, and he actually never mentioned, board games.

He said that he thinks that people can see the difference between "a toy or a pleasant society game (experience) using the Wii" ("un jouet, ou à un jeu de société très sympa avec la Wii") and something that is more of  "an multimedia center really strong on videogames" ("un vrai centre multimédia avec vraiment un jeu vidéo extrêmement fort").

Sounds more about "you can do much more than playing games on the PS3", not "playing on the Wii is bad" to me.

Plus, since he went on in the past about how he considers his own work more an interactive drama than a classic videogame, I doubt very much that there's any derogatory sense in the distinction, or that he thinks any worse of games, either video-based or not. He's simply interested in different things and he's going along Sony's and MS's idea of pushing their machines as all-round entertainment centers.



"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain

"..." - Gordon Freeman

Lol, what a silly thing to say. Immature comment from Cage imo.