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babuks said:

Ten:

90% of muslims are stone age peasents in underdevelopped countries that believe anything their spiritual leader says and are anti anything else, even other variants of muslims (sunni/shiite).

90% of christians are really atheists living regular lives in semidevelopped to developped countries.

that's your other difference, which explains why there is such a bad view of islam... most muslims are not like you, most are just poor people with no education that follow their leader, many are just fanatics (yes many, most muslim countries have armed terrorist factions that use religion as a pretext to secure their power...heck in somalia they just executed 2 young women for being spies...of what? desert dune formation?).

 

and I LOLed at 4.... have you not been to an actuall muslim country with the charia? women can be lapidated for just about anything... yeah personal choice indeed to be covered. Hey choose A)cover yourself or B)die? 

 

These statistics are far from being true. I live in a Muslim country and I read international news regularly written by the western media. So, I can say your information about 90% is wrong.

And you talk about ignorant people leading their leaders blindly? I believe western Christians and Atheists are just that. Ex-US President Bush told them the Muslims are terrorists, they blew up the twin tower. In fact, that was an inside job. But you believed him blindly, even today you try to defend what Mr. Bush said.

Ex-President Mr. Bush said Iraq produced mass-weapon of destruction and lied. Recent records shows just that. But you believe him blindly. Even you re-elect him for the second time. For what? So, he can invade Afghanistan, then probably Iran, then probably other developed Muslims countries one by one. Who followed their leaders blindly? Literate Christians and Atheists of the west.

USA and other developed western countries preach that they give freedom of speech, but prohibits Hijab. They show hatred towards muslim Hijab but have no problem with Christian Nuns. An employee of BBC got suspended for preaching false death news of the Queen. But the people believe the freedom is given. Who follows blindly now? 

This list can go on... But I don't want to compare Muslims with Christians because that is not the issue we are talking about. We are talking about Islam and Christianity. They both have similarities and differences. Let's take the similarities and keep aside the differences. 

 

 


Your post contains so many unproven things,but im just to comment on one. Athiests dont have a leader.



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dib8rman said:



Thank's but I mean't in the Qu' ran. From what I gather the only mention of anything to do with Jerusilem in the Qu' ran is that it is speculated that Muhhamad would turn to Jerusilem and cast his prayer to Allah.

However the gesture was disingenuous as he refused to do it again when the Hebrews refused to accept Islam, mind you this was before a Muslim fighting Army would be strong enough to cease Jerusilem and build the Dome of Rock.

However the term Dome of Rock as the foundation rock is misleading as the original foundation rock is found in Mecca, the confusion here has me wondering if the whole story was just made up or not.

Fact is they seem to have 3 old places of worship in Israel but it seems moot as Qu' ranic verses make very clear that the only Holy Place is in Arabia as in the whole of Arabia, that none of it should ever fall claim to any one that is not a follower of Islam. That was the context I remember from those verses. In that drawing of a line, no line was drawn around Jerusilem placing it in Arabia, instead it only says that Muhmmad looked towards Jerusilem when praying.

My point is if I didn't make it clear is that the prophet prayed toward Mecca and the black stone not Jerusilem and the prophets and that it is custom to erect mosque's in conquered lands.

 

Well Mecca is the holiest site in Islam, the Dome of the Rock is much less important to them than Mecca. Doesn't stop it being a very important site to them.

Apparently the Muslims believe that Muhammad stepped upon the foundation  stone and then ascended to heaven, it's meant to be at the 'farthest mosque' which is mentioned in the Quran.



well they started out the same.

the main thing they have in common now is the persecution and hypocrites



Rath said:
dib8rman said:
 



Thank's but I mean't in the Qu' ran. From what I gather the only mention of anything to do with Jerusilem in the Qu' ran is that it is speculated that Muhhamad would turn to Jerusilem and cast his prayer to Allah.

However the gesture was disingenuous as he refused to do it again when the Hebrews refused to accept Islam, mind you this was before a Muslim fighting Army would be strong enough to cease Jerusilem and build the Dome of Rock.

However the term Dome of Rock as the foundation rock is misleading as the original foundation rock is found in Mecca, the confusion here has me wondering if the whole story was just made up or not.

Fact is they seem to have 3 old places of worship in Israel but it seems moot as Qu' ranic verses make very clear that the only Holy Place is in Arabia as in the whole of Arabia, that none of it should ever fall claim to any one that is not a follower of Islam. That was the context I remember from those verses. In that drawing of a line, no line was drawn around Jerusilem placing it in Arabia, instead it only says that Muhmmad looked towards Jerusilem when praying.

My point is if I didn't make it clear is that the prophet prayed toward Mecca and the black stone not Jerusilem and the prophets and that it is custom to erect mosque's in conquered lands.

 

Well Mecca is the holiest site in Islam, the Dome of the Rock is much less important to them than Mecca. Doesn't stop it being a very important site to them.

Apparently the Muslims believe that Muhammad stepped upon the foundation  stone and then ascended to heaven, it's meant to be at the 'farthest mosque' which is mentioned in the Quran.

Good to know, but I'm not about to reread that damn book it was hell going through each time I'd go to hell if I did something the first time I read it.

But I honestly don't remember any other mention in the Qu' ran about jerusilem. Hell even on the cliff notes there are no refferences to Jerusilem, you'd figure if it was important it would be mentioned quite a few times.

In the Hadiths I know it's mentioned but the contexts are as important as mentioning it and I don't know the context.

Reading on the Mosque I see it pretty much as trolling, building a Mosque on an old church, that's basically like T-bagging all the Jewish folk, hell it's the same reaction I got when I read about the Mosque in Manhattan near the 9/11 site, it was basically like T-bagging America. =X Trolling... =/



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Kasz216 said:

Wait... what the heck is the Zabur and why have I never heard of it before.

Is that mentioned in the Koran and I just forgot it?


I'm shocked that you never heard of the Zaboor!

But then again, the Quran is the only place that mentions it ... I think. So I'm not shocked anymore.

Or maybe the Zabur goes by another name.



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hatmoza said:
Kasz216 said:

Wait... what the heck is the Zabur and why have I never heard of it before.

Is that mentioned in the Koran and I just forgot it?


I'm shocked that you never heard of the Zaboor!

But then again, the Quran is the only place that mentions it ... I think. So I'm not shocked anymore.

Or maybe the Zabur goes by another name.

I mean, i've read the Qu'ran but that was like... 10-15 years ago.



Making fun of religion isn't a sign of racism. Really, I poke fun at religion all the time. I don't hate the religions in question, nor do I hate their followers. I simply wouldn't want to be one of those followers.

Specifically on the topic of Islam: the Qur'an is the Qur'an, and I'm sure it's filled with wisdom, just like every holy book, and promotes peace and equality and love and brotherhood and science etc. etc. 

But the thing is, a religion isn't judged based on any theoretical perfect practice. Like any sort of ideology, it is judged based on the actual practice of the religion by its followers. Look to Communism for a fantastic example - a beautiful system based on equality was ripped to pieces by the Soviet Union, and now everyone despises the concept - more due to human nature than anything else.

There are over a billion Muslims in the world, but nobody ever encounters or hears about any of the good ones who live normal, tolerant lives - which is to say, some 99% of them.

Who do we hear about? Al-Qaeda with its terrorist attacks. The Taliban with its oppression of women. The Iranian government with all of its bullshit about destroying Israel for being an infidel usurper state. These are the people who have grown to represent Islam, because of their power and influence in the world. When the stereotypical Muslims of the world happen to be among the most hated motherfuckers in the world, what do you expect people to think?

It's not the fault of the people. It's the fault of Ahmadenijad and Bin Laden, and all of the others who bring disgrace to the Islamic religion. Oh, and it's also the fault of the people who try to claim that either of the two disgusting excuses for humans whom I just mentioned are somehow morally right.



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babuks said:

And you talk about ignorant people leading their leaders blindly? I believe western Christians and Atheists are just that. Ex-US President Bush told them the Muslims are terrorists, they blew up the twin tower. In fact, that was an inside job. But you believed him blindly, even today you try to defend what Mr. Bush said.

Ex-President Mr. Bush said Iraq produced mass-weapon of destruction and lied. Recent records shows just that. But you believe him blindly. Even you re-elect him for the second time. For what? So, he can invade Afghanistan, then probably Iran, then probably other developed Muslims countries one by one. Who followed their leaders blindly? Literate Christians and Atheists of the west.

USA and other developed western countries preach that they give freedom of speech, but prohibits Hijab. They show hatred towards muslim Hijab but have no problem with Christian Nuns. An employee of BBC got suspended for preaching false death news of the Queen. But the people believe the freedom is given. Who follows blindly now? 

 

 

Oh, please. America did not blow up the World Trade Centre, and it's exactly that sort of ridiculous process of blaming which makes people even angrier with Islam. The WTC was destroyed by terrorists. Muslim terrorists. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all terrorists are Muslim. The terrorists in question, however, were Muslim, and the Muslims in question were terrorists. End of story. Whether or not they followed the letter of the law of the Qu'ran is irrelevant in the same way as the fact that Stalin was a Communist leader despite going batshit insane and killing everybody who looked at him without permission.

Now, George Bush, the poor man. A silly, illiterate, puppet of a man. His strings were held by the real leadership of the Republican Party. Not that John Kerry was very much better. And you have to remember that the elections took place after the invasion of Afghanistan (a popular move), and the defeat of Saddam Hussein.

Now, this thing about developed Muslim countries.

Afghanistan was ruled by a group of extremist fundamentalist Islamists who forbade girls from learning anything besides the Qu'ran, stoned people to death for adultery and homosexuality, and just generally oppressed every single one of their citizens. The fact that you would approve of such a regime gives me a fairly good idea of your beliefs and morals.

Iran... to be honest, I would invade Iran in his place. Ahmadinejad is a Taliban in a suit. A "democratically elected" extremist who spews just as much bullshit as any Al-Qaeda leader, and has significantly more power and influence.

I don't think any nation which follows so-called "Sharia law" (i.e. a system of beliefs with no connection to the Qu'ran thrown together by sadistic misogynistic maniacs) can really be considered to be a developed nation at all. 

Oh, and nobody objects to the Hijab, only the Burqa, which covers the face. Besides the fact that it is a sign of the oppression of a woman, it obscures the facial features and makes identification difficult. A nun has committed her life to her religion. Most Muslim women wearing burqas haven't.

Really, Europeans and to an even greater extent Americans have all of the civil liberties in the world. If I was typing this post in Iran, I would fear for my life.



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SpartenOmega117 said:

Well I just came back from school and it amazes me how many of my christian friends try to mock the islamic religion even though they don't know anything abou the religion. I am not trying to make a islam vs christianity thread but i just want to point out some key similarities and differences between the two religions. BTW I am a muslim in case you guys want to know what perspective you are getting this from

First:

I hear many people in my school try to joke about "allah" and try to make fun of the word. This is probably the most important point of the thread.

Allah=God . Allah is basically just a translation in arabic of the word god. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the same God. Allah is just a translation. Again Allah is just an arabic translation of God.

Second:

The biggest difference between Christianity and Islam is the belief of Jesus and who he was

Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God. Many Christians might assume that if you are not christian you don't believe in Jesus or God.

Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet. Basically Jesus is a messenger of God who came to Earth to spread God's word. Its not like us Muslims disregard Jesus. He is one of the Greatest Prophets of all time and he play a key role in the Islamic religion. He is also suppose to be an important figure in the time when life on earth is suppose to end. In the Quran there is even a chapter in it called Mary which talks about jesus and virgin mary.

I guess that Muslims take the "son of god"  more literally. We believe that to be the son of god that would mean that god had a wife and had a child named Jesus. I don't think christians believe that god had a wife do they? I guess the reason Muslims take it literally because the Quran is actually quite scientific. If you want to know more of the science of quran visit this webiste if you want http://www.quranandscience.com/

Third:

Muslims believe in the Bible and the Torah. Yes, you might not believe it, but there are 4 holy books. Torah, Zabur, Bible, and Quran. We consider these the 4 holy books of islam. 

The reason we don't believe in the current Bible is because Muslims beleive that the Bible has been changed quite a bit throughtout the years by the Pope, priests, etc. So we don't think it is original and has been changed dramatically. Otherwise we do believe in the Bible.

Fourth: Women-

Many people might assume that Muslims treat women as subordinates because we make them veil and cover their body. Quick history lesson- Originally Muslim women did not veil but as the Arab people cotinue to expand they noticed how many high class women covered their heads so that their maids did not see them in the "wrong" way. Arabs adopted because it was like a trend and i guess many Muslim women thought they would be considered high class.

Basically the whole idea of women dressing accordingly is so that a man does not like her for the looks but for her personality.

Fifth:

Muslims do not hate Jews or Christians!

We actually consider them people of the book.

In fact throughtout history (according to world history AP class I am in) Islam showed the most tolerance against other religions. When that arab empire continued to expand they allowed Jews and Christians to continue practicing their faith. In fact in earlier timesafter Mohammad, Muslims did not want to spread their religion but somehow the religion spread anyways.

So i have many Jewish and Christian friends and I hope it remains that way.

Sixth:

Minor differences-

Mulims not allowed to eat pork, alcohol etc.

Muslims, Christians, and Jews all have a fasting period. Ramadan being for the muslims.

Seventh-

Muslims do not encourange killings!

As a proud Muslim I can say that nowhere in the Quran does it say to kill a person. You will severely punished if you do. I guess the the terrorists (who think they are Musim) were just brainwashed like many Nazis were in the holocaust.

Eigth-

Quoted by a fellow vgchartz user named Cirio

"Most ignorant non-muslims who only hear the headlines of the news poke fun at Islam because they think the Quran teaches violence and their basis of this argument is Jihad. The term Jihad literally means "to strive for" and it is a duty for every Muslim man and woman to accomplish. Jihad can simply be a husband or wife going to work and earning money to pay for his/her family or of a man/woman taking care of their children and parents.

The "territorial" usage of Jihad is of a Muslim providing assistance for another Muslim country when they are being invaded or attacked by another nation (which would be by a non-muslim nation). People often use this meaning of Jihad to say the Quran teaches violence by probing Muslims to attack (which isn't true), and unfortunately, the terrorists also use this meaning as a support for their actions of violence. A proper and right example of "territorial" Jihad was during the Cold War when the USSR had taken control over Afghanistan. Osama Bin Ladin, along with other Arabs, traveled to Afghanistan and worked WITH the US to help defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan and to drive them out of the Muslim nation. THAT is an example of Jihad. Not the stupid BS reasons Al Qaeda used to attack the US or the reasons the ignorant person believes the Quran teaches violence."

 

So again there are not a lot of differences between the two religions. I just wanted to make this thread to give some knowledge. I did not make this thread to argue which religion is right or not. Please give your thoughts and opinions

 

And please no comments saying that religion causes fighting or whatever.

1st-Agreed.

2nd- Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet?If they truly cared about his teaching, they would see that he claims he is the only way to heaven and obviously do not believe that.. Seems like they do NOT care about Jesus.

3rd- That is debatable. Didn't we compare the current bible with the Dead Sea Scrolls and find they were spot on. Of course, in Europe during the Middle Ages, some scribes were barely literate, thus making the occasioal error and of course you are translating from Greek and Hebrew so some things may not make sense in other languages.

4th- Of course. Muhammad was not for women oppression that became popular during the Abbasid empire because the Muslims were influenced by other societies in the regions they conquered.

5th- Are you in AP world ? You fail to remeber that the people of the book were taxed. In the early empires, I believe it was the Ummayad stage, even if you converted, you still had to pay the tax unless you were Arabic. They also called Hindus and Buddhists people of the books when they invaded part of India. They did not care about the "people of the book," they were just greedy.

6th- Not all denominations of Christianity are required to fast on certain days.

7th- I have not read all of the Quran so I can do not know about that. When we read some in class though, it said to murder persecutors because it is more holy to murder than be persecuted somewhere in line with that.

Eigth-I have nothing to say because I do not speak Arabic so I do not know the literal translation for jihad.

 



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Wait, so, like, is Islam a code-word for the next Microsoft console, and Christianity a code-word for the next Sony one? I'm not really sure what this has to do with video game sale statistics.



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