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darthdevidem01 on 31 October 2010
ishiki said:
A203D said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I think you just created a scenario in hopes FF13V stays exclusive. Perhaps it will be a PS3 exclusive. But it won't be because of how FF13 does in Japan on the 360.

More importantly, FF13 has done 1.5 million on the 360. 2 million should happen eventually. That's what will motivate a port. Not Japan's performance.


i am not saying just japan's performance is contributing to it

 

but what Japan's performce will add to the total sales and if those sales could be attainable on a single platform

i think vgchartz now shows how well a game does in the first 10 weeks, and then compares that to the total that game has done in its lifetime. if you look at FF13 on the 360 it dosent seem like it can reach 2mil imo, its an RPG as well not an action game so i think that to be expected. and i dont think the japanese 360 version will be successful.


but it's an action RPG :P

I don't think it can pass 2 million either... if it follows the same sales pattern of FFXII it will end up with 6.5 million combined and its at 5.9 million so 500k/600k of estimation would have to be xbox 360.and thats not going to happen.. (though there are many different circumstances so maybe FFXIII won't follow the sales pattern of FFXII if that occurs everything I said is false)

I did these calculations just basing on % of sales first week, first month etc... I don't feel like doing them again if you don't believe me that's okay. But I did it in a thread with solid snake.

FFXIII isn't showing the same sales patter as XII because:

FFXIII is roughly showing better legs than FF12 by over 2 times.......in its 33rd week FFXIII has done 18K, FFXII did 8K



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A203D on 31 October 2010
ishiki said:
A203D said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I think you just created a scenario in hopes FF13V stays exclusive. Perhaps it will be a PS3 exclusive. But it won't be because of how FF13 does in Japan on the 360.

More importantly, FF13 has done 1.5 million on the 360. 2 million should happen eventually. That's what will motivate a port. Not Japan's performance.


i am not saying just japan's performance is contributing to it

 

but what Japan's performce will add to the total sales and if those sales could be attainable on a single platform

i think vgchartz now shows how well a game does in the first 10 weeks, and then compares that to the total that game has done in its lifetime. if you look at FF13 on the 360 it dosent seem like it can reach 2mil imo, its an RPG as well not an action game so i think that to be expected. and i dont think the japanese 360 version will be successful.


but it's an action RPG :P

I don't think it can pass 2 million either... if it follows the same sales pattern of FFXII it will end up with 6.5 million combined and its at 5.9 million so 500k/600k of estimation would have to be xbox 360.and thats not going to happen.. (though there are many different circumstances so maybe FFXIII won't follow the sales pattern of FFXII if that occurs everything I said is false)

I did these calculations just basing on % of sales first week, first month etc... I don't feel like doing them again if you don't believe me that's okay. But I did it in a thread with solid snake.

okay, fair enough, i dont really know what calculations you did, but i would have said based on the sales at the moment that FF13 will reach maybe about 6 -6.5 mil. i agree that seems an accurate estimate.

but as you said versus is an action RPG, this does change the rules slightly. can it reach a new western market?? i believe that FF13 was intended to reach the sales success of FF7, and to trigger a resurgence of JRPGs in the west. however for various reasons that couldnt happen, but is it possible that versus could succeed because its not just a JRPG.

i personlly dont think so, but thats the impression i seem to be getting from you?? oh and darth, i think there is good evidence to suggest versus is going to the 360. it seems likely that it will be announced in Jan i think...



Avatar0319 on 31 October 2010

FF Versus XIII will stay exclusive to PS3. Show some faith in Square Enix, guys! Lord Nomura-sama won’t betray us :-)



Carl on 31 October 2010
Avatar0319 said:

 FF Versus XIII will stay exclusive to PS3. Show some faith in Square Enix, guys! Lord Nomura-sama won’t betray us :-)

It's not up to Nomura.

It's up to Wada.

And Wada is a dick end.



                            

hikaruchan on 31 October 2010
A203D said:

Nah, i think that its already in the works. theres a small possibility it could remain exclusive, but given what we know now i dont think so.

besides the Japanese 360 version wont sell much, those people who bought 360s in japan dont care about FF or they wouldve bought a PS3.

but imo because of the things that have been said about the 360 affecting the quality of FF13, and the poor sales of games like Enslaved, Castlevania and Vanquish it wouldve been better for FF13v to remain exclusive imo. its going to have smaller sales than FF13, and had it of remained exclusive it wouldve retained a good degree of exposure, eg like Demon's Souls.

Dude we the don't know very much at Al about FFVERSUSXIII outside of the info given to us by Nomura San himself everything else is pure speculation don't stat Internet rumors as FACT.

there has been no announcement of of PS3 losing FFVERSUSXIII as an Exclusive. your crying wolf and putting words in Wada san mouth. Also Castlevania is not even on sale in Japan yet it is out in Japan in December. and Vanquish has good sales fpr a new IP.      



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A203D on 31 October 2010
hikaruchan said:
A203D said:

Nah, i think that its already in the works. theres a small possibility it could remain exclusive, but given what we know now i dont think so.

besides the Japanese 360 version wont sell much, those people who bought 360s in japan dont care about FF or they wouldve bought a PS3.

but imo because of the things that have been said about the 360 affecting the quality of FF13, and the poor sales of games like Enslaved, Castlevania and Vanquish it wouldve been better for FF13v to remain exclusive imo. its going to have smaller sales than FF13, and had it of remained exclusive it wouldve retained a good degree of exposure, eg like Demon's Souls.

Dude we the don't know very much at Al about FFVERSUSXIII outside of the info given to us by Nomura San himself everything else is pure speculation don't stat Internet rumors as FACT.

there has been no announcement of of PS3 losing FFVERSUSXIII as an Exclusive. your crying wolf and putting words in Wada san mouth. Also Castlevania is not even on sale in Japan yet it is out in Japan in December. and Vanquish has good sales fpr a new IP.      

SE posted a job listing for a programmer (or something like that) stating they needed someone to work on FFversus and there was something about the 360 and PS3 in that. i havent mentioned Wada in my post, but hes discussed the possibility of Versus going multiplatform. i think the CEO of Square has more authority in these matters than Nomura.

i'm not saying that its definitly going multiplatform, but imo its already in the works. well i'm not sure about the sales of any of the games mentioned, they might do better than they have, but for openings there dissappointing imo. the Japanese sales of Vanquish are good, not so much the US or EU numbers. and i think that they wouldve benefited from being exclusives for reasons that have been discussed elsewhere.



darthdevidem01 on 31 October 2010
A203D said:

but it's an action RPG :P

I don't think it can pass 2 million either... if it follows the same sales pattern of FFXII it will end up with 6.5 million combined and its at 5.9 million so 500k/600k of estimation would have to be xbox 360.and thats not going to happen.. (though there are many different circumstances so maybe FFXIII won't follow the sales pattern of FFXII if that occurs everything I said is false)

I did these calculations just basing on % of sales first week, first month etc... I don't feel like doing them again if you don't believe me that's okay. But I did it in a thread with solid snake.

okay, fair enough, i dont really know what calculations you did, but i would have said based on the sales at the moment that FF13 will reach maybe about 6 -6.5 mil. i agree that seems an accurate estimate.

but as you said versus is an action RPG, this does change the rules slightly. can it reach a new western market?? i believe that FF13 was intended to reach the sales success of FF7, and to trigger a resurgence of JRPGs in the west. however for various reasons that couldnt happen, but is it possible that versus could succeed because its not just a JRPG.

i personlly dont think so, but thats the impression i seem to be getting from you?? oh and darth, i think there is good evidence to suggest versus is going to the 360. it seems likely that it will be announced in Jan i think...

Its not accurate because his calculations were based on FFXIII having a similar sales curve to FF12.....its not, its showing more than 2 times the amount of legs.....but it will never sell more than 2 times the amount of FF12, therefore different sales curves. 7 Million is in the bag.

Wada expected 6 Million copies to be sold on 29th September 2009 (few months before the games release)

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6230719.html 

In another interview I found he said he expected 2 Million Shipped in Japan and 4 Million in the West. Clearly in Japan it underpeformed, and its outperformed his expectations in the West.

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There is no evidence because other games have similar postings when they are exclusive.....this was proven in the thread about FFversus 13 having a 360 posting.

Wada saying that is similar to how exec's talked about MGS4.

There is no evidence currently.



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hunter_alien on 31 October 2010

Who cares... its not like the deciding factor in the console wars....

 

If more can play Versus, then good for them. If it goes multiplat I could see VS doing 1-1.5 million on the 360 alone so why not port it?



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A203D on 31 October 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
A203D said:

but it's an action RPG :P

I don't think it can pass 2 million either... if it follows the same sales pattern of FFXII it will end up with 6.5 million combined and its at 5.9 million so 500k/600k of estimation would have to be xbox 360.and thats not going to happen.. (though there are many different circumstances so maybe FFXIII won't follow the sales pattern of FFXII if that occurs everything I said is false)

I did these calculations just basing on % of sales first week, first month etc... I don't feel like doing them again if you don't believe me that's okay. But I did it in a thread with solid snake.

okay, fair enough, i dont really know what calculations you did, but i would have said based on the sales at the moment that FF13 will reach maybe about 6 -6.5 mil. i agree that seems an accurate estimate.

but as you said versus is an action RPG, this does change the rules slightly. can it reach a new western market?? i believe that FF13 was intended to reach the sales success of FF7, and to trigger a resurgence of JRPGs in the west. however for various reasons that couldnt happen, but is it possible that versus could succeed because its not just a JRPG.

i personlly dont think so, but thats the impression i seem to be getting from you?? oh and darth, i think there is good evidence to suggest versus is going to the 360. it seems likely that it will be announced in Jan i think...

Its not accurate because his calculations were based on FFXIII having a similar sales curve to FF12.....its not, its showing more than 2 times the amount of legs.....but it will never sell more than 2 times the amount of FF12, therefore different sales curves. 7 Million is in the bag.

Wada expected 6 Million copies to be sold on 29th September 2009 (few months before the games release)

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6230719.html 

In another interview I found he said he expected 2 Million Shipped in Japan and 4 Million in the West. Clearly in Japan it underpeformed, and its outperformed his expectations in the West.

___________

@bolded

There is no evidence because other games have similar postings when they are exclusive.....this was proven in the thread about FFversus 13 having a 360 posting.

Wada saying that is similar to how exec's talked about MGS4.

There is no evidence currently.

Well i have no idea about the calculations isihki used, but if you say its doing 18,000 a week, then maybe its possible to get to 7mil. greatest hits, etc will probabily help. i'm not sure how far away it is from 6mil, but you cant deny that without sales from the 360, those numbers wouldnt be possible, which is what leads me to think that it already in the process.

there was that time also when Wada discussed the possibiliy of making it multiplatform, but there was an huge fan backlash, with death threats etc on him (i think), my point is that while theres no concrete proof, imo its seems like its only a matter of time. but i suppose we'll find out in january, when i think they will annouce it.



luisgvm on 31 October 2010

well whatever happens!. this game looks awesomeeee!!!,.