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Beuli2 said:
Linkasf said:
djstrykermx said:

I just cannot understand when people say that third parties killed the wii, I mean when the good AAA games come along they DON'T SELL. There are many many examples:

1- No More Heroes 1 & 2

2- MadWorld

3- Red Steel 2

4- Prince of Persia (heard the wii version was really good)

5- Conduit

6- Many Multiplatform titles that simply do not sell on the Wii and sell on the HD consoles.

 

Then there are also additional ports such as the Resident Evil archives games adapted to the Wii-mote which didn't even chart in this site. 

Nintendo games sell very well on the Nintendo platform, no doubt. Mainly because Nintendo software usually means quality and people are just used to that.

I think it is a smart business decision from developers/publishers to stop supporting the Wii with those types of games, because if they do not get a return on their investment, why should they care? To please fanboys? 

So in the end, to me the blame is on the customers who don't pay for AAA games on the Wii and that have forced the devs/publishers to make those tough decisions of stopping support for the platform all along.

Im sorry but those games are not AAA games. OF all my years playing games, they don't stack up to games i've played 10 years ago. No more heroes lasted for a good time and my bro finished it almost 10 times. I heard Resident evil Archives had issues; so how is this AAA again?

Maybe those are "good games" only according to the internet guys and actually they're bad games no one cares? I don't know how people keep putting Madworld as a good game, I just don't see it.


Well it's too bad that your fanboyism has clearly blinded you from my main post, there are indeed AAA games and critically acclaimed software on the Wii, you might not be in agreement with what I listed, but I still stand for my original post: they simply do not sell, hence lack of development for the platform. If there is not a business benefit from supporting the Wii with those types of games, then why do it?



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The problem is that in th common eye , people prefer an HD collection that a game with wii controls, and maybe i too , because Nintendo made the mistake of not including or implementing wii motion plus from the beggining, if you were a developer or a publisher what did you think if a previous gen port sold more that a lot of your new AAA titles, say sega with Madworld and the Conduit, what are the games that sell more from them ,Sonic games , yes you could say that hes a recongnizable mascot, but the majority of those games are bad, yes you could look and say that a lot of games have sold more than 1 million copies , but take out Nintendo games, ports (Call of Dutty ,RE 4,GH), and kids games and what do you have, only shovelware and maybe 1 or 2 games, thats why i feel good when a game like monster hunteror shaun white comes and sells a  lot , get over it , original games on wii doesnt sell, you could argue that they dont put AAA teams oon wii but , every once in a while comes a game that its great and could sell  a lot and wii owners do the same, they reject it , saying that it comes to a niche market or doesnt look to good or bad controls, get over it HD games will have better production values or graphics and bigger budgets .

Just buy the good games besides of Nintendo games, and dont get me on listing a lot of good games that doesnt have Nintendo name .

And heres a list for proving the best sellers on wii and tell me what you think about it.

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=Wii&publisher=&sort=Total

PD: I preffer ports of a 5 yr old game that the 100 Babyz , Ponyz,Petz games that are on the market.



djstrykermx said:
Beuli2 said:
Linkasf said:
djstrykermx said:

I just cannot understand when people say that third parties killed the wii, I mean when the good AAA games come along they DON'T SELL. There are many many examples:

1- No More Heroes 1 & 2

2- MadWorld

3- Red Steel 2

4- Prince of Persia (heard the wii version was really good)

5- Conduit

6- Many Multiplatform titles that simply do not sell on the Wii and sell on the HD consoles.

 

Then there are also additional ports such as the Resident Evil archives games adapted to the Wii-mote which didn't even chart in this site. 

Nintendo games sell very well on the Nintendo platform, no doubt. Mainly because Nintendo software usually means quality and people are just used to that.

I think it is a smart business decision from developers/publishers to stop supporting the Wii with those types of games, because if they do not get a return on their investment, why should they care? To please fanboys? 

So in the end, to me the blame is on the customers who don't pay for AAA games on the Wii and that have forced the devs/publishers to make those tough decisions of stopping support for the platform all along.

Im sorry but those games are not AAA games. OF all my years playing games, they don't stack up to games i've played 10 years ago. No more heroes lasted for a good time and my bro finished it almost 10 times. I heard Resident evil Archives had issues; so how is this AAA again?

Maybe those are "good games" only according to the internet guys and actually they're bad games no one cares? I don't know how people keep putting Madworld as a good game, I just don't see it.


Well it's too bad that your fanboyism has clearly blinded you from my main post, there are indeed AAA games and critically acclaimed software on the Wii, you might not be in agreement with what I listed, but I still stand for my original post: they simply do not sell, hence lack of development for the platform. If there is not a business benefit from supporting the Wii with those types of games, then why do it?

AAA games have AAA budgets and promotion, not B/C tier budgets and promotion.

Would you consider God Hand a AAA PS2 game?  Was Prey a AAA 360 game?  Were Killer 7 or XIII AAA?



jarrod said:
djstrykermx said:
Beuli2 said:
Linkasf said:
djstrykermx said:

I just cannot understand when people say that third parties killed the wii, I mean when the good, critcally acclaimed games come along they DON'T SELL. There are many many examples:

1- No More Heroes 1 & 2

2- MadWorld

3- Red Steel 2

4- Prince of Persia (heard the wii version was really good)

5- Conduit

6- Many Multiplatform titles that simply do not sell on the Wii and sell on the HD consoles.

 

Then there are also additional ports such as the Resident Evil archives games adapted to the Wii-mote which didn't even chart in this site. 

Nintendo games sell very well on the Nintendo platform, no doubt. Mainly because Nintendo software usually means quality and people are just used to that.

I think it is a smart business decision from developers/publishers to stop supporting the Wii with those types of games, because if they do not get a return on their investment, why should they care? To please fanboys? 

So in the end, to me the blame is on the customers who don't pay for those critically acclaimed games on the Wii and that have forced the devs/publishers to make those tough decisions of stopping support for the platform all along.

Im sorry but those games are not AAA games. OF all my years playing games, they don't stack up to games i've played 10 years ago. No more heroes lasted for a good time and my bro finished it almost 10 times. I heard Resident evil Archives had issues; so how is this AAA again?

Maybe those are "good games" only according to the internet guys and actually they're bad games no one cares? I don't know how people keep putting Madworld as a good game, I just don't see it.


Well it's too bad that your fanboyism has clearly blinded you from my main post, there are indeed AAA games and critically acclaimed software on the Wii, you might not be in agreement with what I listed, but I still stand for my original post: they simply do not sell, hence lack of development for the platform. If there is not a business benefit from supporting the Wii with those types of games, then why do it?

AAA games have AAA budgets and promotion, not B/C tier budgets and promotion.

Would you consider God Hand a AAA PS2 game?  Was Prey a AAA 360 game?  Were Killer 7 or XIII AAA?


There, edited my original post. If it's the "AAA" that bothers you then you should now be able to understand what I'm trying to point out here instead of nitpicking on 1 term I used twice on all  my post. I'd rather know what's your stand on this rather than argue over three letters (AAA).



Nintendo's already done the equivalent of Sony's "HD Classics", only with N64 games, and they sold them digitally and individually on the Virtual Console.  The games are uprendered at 480p, and textures are smoothed accordingly.

And they also had their New Play Control! line of GameCube reissues, reworking GC games for Wii controls for budget prices.



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djstrykermx said:
jarrod said:
djstrykermx said:
Beuli2 said:
Linkasf said:
djstrykermx said:

I just cannot understand when people say that third parties killed the wii, I mean when the good, critcally acclaimed games come along they DON'T SELL. There are many many examples:

1- No More Heroes 1 & 2

2- MadWorld

3- Red Steel 2

4- Prince of Persia (heard the wii version was really good)

5- Conduit

6- Many Multiplatform titles that simply do not sell on the Wii and sell on the HD consoles.

 

Then there are also additional ports such as the Resident Evil archives games adapted to the Wii-mote which didn't even chart in this site. 

Nintendo games sell very well on the Nintendo platform, no doubt. Mainly because Nintendo software usually means quality and people are just used to that.

I think it is a smart business decision from developers/publishers to stop supporting the Wii with those types of games, because if they do not get a return on their investment, why should they care? To please fanboys? 

So in the end, to me the blame is on the customers who don't pay for those critically acclaimed games on the Wii and that have forced the devs/publishers to make those tough decisions of stopping support for the platform all along.

Im sorry but those games are not AAA games. OF all my years playing games, they don't stack up to games i've played 10 years ago. No more heroes lasted for a good time and my bro finished it almost 10 times. I heard Resident evil Archives had issues; so how is this AAA again?

Maybe those are "good games" only according to the internet guys and actually they're bad games no one cares? I don't know how people keep putting Madworld as a good game, I just don't see it.


Well it's too bad that your fanboyism has clearly blinded you from my main post, there are indeed AAA games and critically acclaimed software on the Wii, you might not be in agreement with what I listed, but I still stand for my original post: they simply do not sell, hence lack of development for the platform. If there is not a business benefit from supporting the Wii with those types of games, then why do it?

AAA games have AAA budgets and promotion, not B/C tier budgets and promotion.

Would you consider God Hand a AAA PS2 game?  Was Prey a AAA 360 game?  Were Killer 7 or XIII AAA?


There, edited my original post. If it's the "AAA" that bothers you then you should now be able to understand what I'm trying to point out here instead of nitpicking on 1 term I used twice on all  my post. I'd rather know what's your stand on this rather than argue over three letters (AAA).

Eh, but critically acclaimed games bomb everywhere.  Hell, there were more critically acclaimed games that sold awful on PS2 than Wii even...



jarrod said:
djstrykermx said:
jarrod said:
djstrykermx said:
Beuli2 said:
Linkasf said:
djstrykermx said:

I just cannot understand when people say that third parties killed the wii, I mean when the good, critcally acclaimed games come along they DON'T SELL. There are many many examples:

1- No More Heroes 1 & 2

2- MadWorld

3- Red Steel 2

4- Prince of Persia (heard the wii version was really good)

5- Conduit

6- Many Multiplatform titles that simply do not sell on the Wii and sell on the HD consoles.

 

Then there are also additional ports such as the Resident Evil archives games adapted to the Wii-mote which didn't even chart in this site. 

Nintendo games sell very well on the Nintendo platform, no doubt. Mainly because Nintendo software usually means quality and people are just used to that.

I think it is a smart business decision from developers/publishers to stop supporting the Wii with those types of games, because if they do not get a return on their investment, why should they care? To please fanboys? 

So in the end, to me the blame is on the customers who don't pay for those critically acclaimed games on the Wii and that have forced the devs/publishers to make those tough decisions of stopping support for the platform all along.

Im sorry but those games are not AAA games. OF all my years playing games, they don't stack up to games i've played 10 years ago. No more heroes lasted for a good time and my bro finished it almost 10 times. I heard Resident evil Archives had issues; so how is this AAA again?

Maybe those are "good games" only according to the internet guys and actually they're bad games no one cares? I don't know how people keep putting Madworld as a good game, I just don't see it.


Well it's too bad that your fanboyism has clearly blinded you from my main post, there are indeed AAA games and critically acclaimed software on the Wii, you might not be in agreement with what I listed, but I still stand for my original post: they simply do not sell, hence lack of development for the platform. If there is not a business benefit from supporting the Wii with those types of games, then why do it?

AAA games have AAA budgets and promotion, not B/C tier budgets and promotion.

Would you consider God Hand a AAA PS2 game?  Was Prey a AAA 360 game?  Were Killer 7 or XIII AAA?


There, edited my original post. If it's the "AAA" that bothers you then you should now be able to understand what I'm trying to point out here instead of nitpicking on 1 term I used twice on all  my post. I'd rather know what's your stand on this rather than argue over three letters (AAA).

Eh, but critically acclaimed games bomb everywhere.  Hell, there were more critically acclaimed games that sold awful on PS2 than Wii even...

I do agree with that... I guess there are so many factors influencing this situation: target audience, developers going more for hd consoles, lack of sales of "hardcore" gaming experiences, user base taste; that it just makes it hard to pinpoint what direction publishers should move and they are probably tired of trying to figure it out... With all that said, I just do not see the PS2 ports selling on the Wii when there have been many good games that have not sold what was expected.

And yes that also happens on the HD consoles, just take a look at Castlevania and Enslaved recently, but since this thread was Wii related I was just pointing out my opinion regarding Wii.



jarrod said:
djstrykermx said:

I just cannot understand when people say that third parties killed the wii, I mean when the good AAA games come along they DON'T SELL. There are many many examples:

1- No More Heroes 1 & 2

2- MadWorld

3- Red Steel 2

4- Prince of Persia (heard the wii version was really good)

5- Conduit

6- Many Multiplatform titles that simply do not sell on the Wii and sell on the HD consoles.

 

Then there are also additional ports such as the Resident Evil archives games adapted to the Wii-mote which didn't even chart in this site. 

Nintendo games sell very well on the Nintendo platform, no doubt. Mainly because Nintendo software usually means quality and people are just used to that.

I think it is a smart business decision from developers/publishers to stop supporting the Wii with those types of games, because if they do not get a return on their investment, why should they care? To please fanboys? 

So in the end, to me the blame is on the customers who don't pay for AAA games on the Wii and that have forced the devs/publishers to make those tough decisions of stopping support for the platform all along.

The failure for most to recognize what a AAA game actually is continually baffles me.  All these games would've sold worse on 360, or PS3, or probably even PS2.  Some did in fact.


It's from this notion that any core game is a good as the other (and that any casual game is as good as the other).



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

what baffles me is that people are still complaining, when I tell someone to just buy an HD console, im not trying to say its better or to try to prove a poing but lets be real here. its the same people compalining about the same thing on Wii every other week, that tells me that your not happy about the games Wii is getting so I simply say instead of crying about something that will not change after 4 years just buy the console that YOU want to play games on. Does it make you less of a Ninty fan??? NO me having a Wii does not make me less of a PS fan if anything it makes me smarter because I can get games that the PS3 does not have. 3rd parties ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE, get over it. Making threads on the Net is not going to change that. Get a console with the games you want to play so badly or if the thought of having a console that doesnt say "NINTENDO" on it offends you so then wait for 3DS where the 3rd party support is going, cause its not happening on WII.



^ What baffles me is you still think it's about us wanting the games so we can play them, when we've been posting over and over again it's about developers giving the Wii the support it deserves.

Aside from me wanting Timesplitters with great controls, this is about the Wii, not me.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs