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Mr Puggsly said:
leatherhat said:

No. Sony makes way more games. 


It will also continue to destroy the fps genre. So thats cool.

Doesn't matter how many games you put out. What makes you a big publisher/developer is sales and profits.

I don't recall Sony destroying the FPS genre. I don't think people point to Sony shooters when they are discussing the biggest shooters.

Sony has a lot bigger first party. i really don't get how we are even debating this. They have way more developers than MS. They also sell more first party software than MS.



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Garland said:
slowmo said:
Garland said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:
Garland said:

I swear, MS just keeps making Sony looking good right about now...MS had let them get the edge up in graphics time & time again ever since Uncharted 2, they don't have any good exclusives outside of Gears Of War 3 (which won't come out until late next year), & instead of them focusing on those two things alone to try to match Sony, they decided to spend half a billion on advertising this garbage...

I don't know what's going through their heads right now...I just don't. Looks like they need someone smarter like myself to come in & shape them up. Seriously.

Sorry. Nobody gives a shit about the graphics wars. No game Micorsoft could ever make has the potential to sell as many systems or make as much money as this. There's no way it'll fail with this kind of exposure. I made a thread after E3 2009 that Kinect (then Natal) would put the 360 on top on a weekly basis for the remainder of the generation. With the position the Wii is currently in and now seeing this, I think my crazy prediction may just become reality.

LMAO. Seriously? I honestly doubt that those that have already owned a Wii are going to immediately rush out to spend $300 with tax just to do more motion control gaming. Plus most of the hardcore fans won't pick this up unless they have children or somewhat that wants to play with it. Plus word of mouth a big problem for Kinect if it doesn't perform well as advertised. If people grab this thing and stories start filtering about it “not working in people’s living rooms” (which I still think is a huge issue for the tech), & so on — no amount of marketing will shake that.

Even if this does become popular throughout this holiday season, the real, true test of this product's popularity will come after December's over, to see how well it'll sell outside Black Friday & Christmas if that happens.

Also, what should happen when Nintendo lowers the price of the Wii to $150 this holiday season & bundles it with a core game to counter them? Then those that still haven't bought one are going to be paying more attention to that instead.

Whoever is in charge has completely lost track of their fanbase, and what got them where they were in the first place (hardcores). Who do you think bought most of those 360 systems? Again, hardcores.

Their reputation among hardcore gamers has definitely dropped over the past 2 years, from what I heard. They were on top of the world a while ago.

I honestly think this could come back to bite them in the rear for next gen.

Your entire reasoning seems to hinge mainly on the fact the technology doesn't work.  I think you're going to be very sorely disappointed to find it does.

It involves more than just that, like I said throughout my entire post. I'm just sick of people everywhere that are defending & praising this junk like it's the second coming (not just here, but everywhere else). I own a 360 & I think it's garbage. Not to mention that this has been done before (like Eyetoy, & of course, the Wii). The gaming selection for it is nothing more than Wii/Eyetoy shovelware ripoffs, with most of them that just aren't that interesting.

Plus do you really believe that this would be great for gamers in the long run? Do you want this gimmicky crap replacing original controllers for next gen if this is so hugely successful, & want 3rd party developers focusing more money, time, & effort on trashy shovelware games like what's going on right now? Because I certainly don't. That's one of the reasons why I avoided the Wii altogether, because of this motion controller crap & too many shovelware games. At least there are some smart people out there like myself that aren't dumb enough to fall for this kind of hype.

Plus if this does replace regular controller gaming for next gen, then this gen will be my last gen for console gaming. All I want is to just sit back & relax & play games with regular controllers, the way that they were meant to be played, just like it has always worked for the past 26, 27 years since the NES was born. I don't want to come home from a long day of work & to play games by waving my arms or my body around like a buffoon. I'm sorry. I don't.

You got a point.

People accepied gaming the way it was meant ti be played and not waving the air. I like x360 but don't like kinect.

Too much marketing on this killing-industry-periferal with no unique immersive title. No wonder Goldman Sachs advices M$ to seperate it from the main business.

We are born to touch and feel and certainly this is not a way forward for the industry.



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spynx said:
Garland said:
slowmo said:
Garland said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:
Garland said:

I swear, MS just keeps making Sony looking good right about now...MS had let them get the edge up in graphics time & time again ever since Uncharted 2, they don't have any good exclusives outside of Gears Of War 3 (which won't come out until late next year), & instead of them focusing on those two things alone to try to match Sony, they decided to spend half a billion on advertising this garbage...

I don't know what's going through their heads right now...I just don't. Looks like they need someone smarter like myself to come in & shape them up. Seriously.

Sorry. Nobody gives a shit about the graphics wars. No game Micorsoft could ever make has the potential to sell as many systems or make as much money as this. There's no way it'll fail with this kind of exposure. I made a thread after E3 2009 that Kinect (then Natal) would put the 360 on top on a weekly basis for the remainder of the generation. With the position the Wii is currently in and now seeing this, I think my crazy prediction may just become reality.

LMAO. Seriously? I honestly doubt that those that have already owned a Wii are going to immediately rush out to spend $300 with tax just to do more motion control gaming. Plus most of the hardcore fans won't pick this up unless they have children or somewhat that wants to play with it. Plus word of mouth a big problem for Kinect if it doesn't perform well as advertised. If people grab this thing and stories start filtering about it “not working in people’s living rooms” (which I still think is a huge issue for the tech), & so on — no amount of marketing will shake that.

Even if this does become popular throughout this holiday season, the real, true test of this product's popularity will come after December's over, to see how well it'll sell outside Black Friday & Christmas if that happens.

Also, what should happen when Nintendo lowers the price of the Wii to $150 this holiday season & bundles it with a core game to counter them? Then those that still haven't bought one are going to be paying more attention to that instead.

Whoever is in charge has completely lost track of their fanbase, and what got them where they were in the first place (hardcores). Who do you think bought most of those 360 systems? Again, hardcores.

Their reputation among hardcore gamers has definitely dropped over the past 2 years, from what I heard. They were on top of the world a while ago.

I honestly think this could come back to bite them in the rear for next gen.

Your entire reasoning seems to hinge mainly on the fact the technology doesn't work.  I think you're going to be very sorely disappointed to find it does.

It involves more than just that, like I said throughout my entire post. I'm just sick of people everywhere that are defending & praising this junk like it's the second coming (not just here, but everywhere else). I own a 360 & I think it's garbage. Not to mention that this has been done before (like Eyetoy, & of course, the Wii). The gaming selection for it is nothing more than Wii/Eyetoy shovelware ripoffs, with most of them that just aren't that interesting.

Plus do you really believe that this would be great for gamers in the long run? Do you want this gimmicky crap replacing original controllers for next gen if this is so hugely successful, & want 3rd party developers focusing more money, time, & effort on trashy shovelware games like what's going on right now? Because I certainly don't. That's one of the reasons why I avoided the Wii altogether, because of this motion controller crap & too many shovelware games. At least there are some smart people out there like myself that aren't dumb enough to fall for this kind of hype.

Plus if this does replace regular controller gaming for next gen, then this gen will be my last gen for console gaming. All I want is to just sit back & relax & play games with regular controllers, the way that they were meant to be played, just like it has always worked for the past 26, 27 years since the NES was born. I don't want to come home from a long day of work & to play games by waving my arms or my body around like a buffoon. I'm sorry. I don't.

You got a point.

People accepied gaming the way it was meant ti be played and not waving the air. I like x360 but don't like kinect.

Too much marketing on this killing-industry-periferal with no unique immersive title. No wonder Goldman Sachs advices M$ to seperate it from the main business.

We are born to touch and feel and certainly this is not a way forward for the industry.


Thank god neither of you are in charge of videogame development.  It's rather sad to see people so close minded to new avenues of development.  People aren't asking you to praise Kinect, they're asking you actually stop the rather sad blind hating on a product that you haven't even played yet.  Seriously, neither of you have any clue about the device and obviously haven't thought outside the box for the opportunities the peripheral may offer.  Did you hurl abuse when the Wii launched, when Move launched, the original Eyetoy? 

People who want to play with a controller will still be catered for, if microsoft decide not to pursue that avenue then I'll hand my money over to those that will.  It's rather silly to suggest Microsoft would even contemplate launching a console with a controller next gen anyway.  I bought a Wii and it's received very little use for the last year or so but that doesn't make me hate the console, quite the opposite really, I'm glad it offers me as a consumer choice.



KillerMan said:

Sony has a lot bigger first party. i really don't get how we are even debating this. They have way more developers than MS. They also sell more first party software than MS.

Those numbers include PSP and PS2. We were really just discussing PS3 and 360 over all.

Are we gonna include Windows numbers too? I mean you gotta draw a line somewhere.



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daroamer said:
AnthonyW86 said:

If this is true i'm officially selling my 360, what a complete rip-off. For the same money they could sell the first 10 million(!!) Kintect bundles for $99. If Microsoft is really this stupid, i don't want anything to do with it.

I'm sorry but that's truely an idiotic argument.  Every game and every product has a marketing budget.  As stated in this thread Sony's overall marketing budget is over 5 billion a year, with that money they could give away 16 million PS3s a year!   Are you giving back your PS3 too since you had to pay for it when Sony clearly has the cash to give you a free one?

That budget is for all of Sony's products.And Sony sold the PS3 at a loss for many years, so that's not a good comparison.

Personally i'm what they call an early adaptor, i usually buy these kind of things day one. Now Microsoft is going to rip-off their loyal customers who buy these things first by letting them pay a premium price so they can finance their marketing budget, and we all now how good that marketing turned out for their Zune mediaplayer and Kin phone(disscontinued after 6 weeks!).

Alot of people have been saying Kinect is overpriced and this proves it.



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SaviorX said:

Hmm...that's a lot of chips... a lotta eggs in this Kinect basket.

The fact that they are comfortable spending this much makes me sad. Half a billion dollars over promoting a 5-year old console?

Well they aren't wasting billions launching a new console. So spending $500 million to rebrand their current profitable console doesn't seem crazy.

As a 360 fan I'm happy about this. I don't look forward to buying a new machine and this tells me they are going to prolong the 360's life. Maybe get 10 years out of it.



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Mr Puggsly said:
SaviorX said:

Hmm...that's a lot of chips... a lotta eggs in this Kinect basket.

The fact that they are comfortable spending this much makes me sad. Half a billion dollars over promoting a 5-year old console?

Well they aren't wasting billions launching a new console. So spending $500 million to rebrand their current profitable console doesn't seem crazy.

As a 360 fan I'm happy about this. I don't look forward to buying a new machine and this tells me they are going to prolong the 360's life. Maybe get 10 years out of it.

it may happend (at least for 5 years)

BUT, remember a new console will still be released perhaps in 2012 making the current gen way less interesting ...



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BTW :

NOW, I hope everybody know where the Alan Wake marketing budget and full developpement cost for 6 AAA title Xbox360 have disappaeared ... 

still happy about this news ?



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libellule said:

it may happend (at least for 5 years)

BUT, remember a new console will still be released perhaps in 2012 making the current gen way less interesting ...

Well I don't think there is any rush. Sony is still reeling the losses from PS3. Nintendo's next console probably won't be much more powerful than the current HD consoles.

Perhaps MS may want to beat the competition to the market. But I don't think they'll just push the 360 aside like they did the original Xbox.



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libellule said:

BTW :

NOW, I hope everybody know where the Alan Wake marketing budget and full developpement cost for 6 AAA title Xbox360 have disappaeared ... 

still happy about this news ?

Why are we pretending the money they are spending in marketing is all they have? Its not like they had to choose between marketing and new IPs. For whatever reason MS chooses to support 3rd parties and they received quite a few console exclusives in the process (L4D, SC: Conviction, ME, and others coming).

Halo Reach made $200 million in a day. Live generates billions. They laugh at $500 million. MS has what we call in the business, "fuck you money."



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