In all fairness, Halo Reach is a game whereas move is essentially a controller. Halo games tend to be heavily frontloaded while controllers continue to sell consistently through the life of the console, assuming software support remains consistent as well.

But SCE does have to at least let general consumers know about Move (considering that these are the consumers SCE is presumably hoping to target), as future move compatible games will ultimately dictate sales with very few buying any game that's Move compatible simply because it lets them use their new controllers (publishers will get away with selling some poor Move titles initially for this very reason though).

Im not saying that:

Kinect = $110 ASP - $120 manufacturing costs etc = loss of $10 per unit.

Im saying that:

Kinect = $110 ASP *3M units plus games = ~$600M overall revenue or thereabouts and then you take away $200M in marketing, $100M in product development, $100M research and development and $200M physical hardware costs or thereabouts = roughly break even.

Im just saying that their profit point is early 2011 even though they are likely to sell a lot of units in 2010. In many ways the cost of Kinect is actually beside the point when talking about Microsofts profitability in Q4.

I'm sure they're already making a pretty tidy profit on the current 360 models between the single chip GPU/CPU and other component reductions. I don't know if it's high enough for them to currently announce say a $50 price drop across their entire bundle catalog line up, but they are definitely cheaper to produce than the previous models.

Regardless, I think that even with the effective $50 "discount" on Kinect when bundled with a console, MS is still selling those bundles at a decent profit over production/shipping cost, meaning they could probably sell the standalone Kinect kit for under $100 ($99) at a profit. Not factoring in averaged, per unit initial marketing campaign, R&D, etc. costs.

i played MOVE earlier today it is the bomb

I went to a gamestop earlier today around 2:00 pm and they had several move units available.

( I bought Tiger Woods 11 and a move wand)

I then went to Best Buy where they had a huge table set up promoting move right in the front (this was around 8:00 pm) and they had sold completely out of the Move Bundles, the standalone move controllers, and even the charge bases for the Moves.

The reason I went there was to buy Sports Champions, which I did. But I still wanted another Move controller.

So I went to Gamestop, (8:30 pm) where they had a tv set up with sports champions and two of the move wands glowing with people looking. They also had a kiosk attached to a wall where people could learn about Move games. Here I asked the clerk for a move wand and they were sold out as well.

SHIT!

I then went to Walmart where I finally found a 2nd Move so I could play Sports Champions properly.

And let me tell all of you, Sports Champions is very very fun with 2 move controllers. I played the game with my girlfriend for about 3 hours once we got home. We were seriously loving it. It all worked very well.

And 3 days after Halo was gutsy, but people walk into Best buy to buy Halo, and see the giant Move stand right next to it, and it peeks their interest. It is free advertising in a way.

Also; at Best Buy I saw 2 other people ask where the move controllers were after I did, just to find it was SOLD OUT.

SOLD OUT!!

A few more stores are sold out now, one of the larger/more popular ones, which had some on display yesterday, had only the charging stations left.  Spoke to someone there who said that Sony had only sent them half their order, so they only had enough for their pre-orders and about 20-odd for shopfloor.  Looks like Sony underestimated demand, and shuffled their deliveries to make sure pre-orders were met plus some extra where available.

I walked past my Gamestation (Lincolnshire), and whilst it's a large shop in a medium-sized town, it still had plenty of Move controllers left. I asked them about how many Moves they had sold, and they were reluctant to say that only 3 were sold up until I had asked (12 Noon). Whilst this may seem early, you must also remember that they were planning a midnight launch, but it was cancelled due to bad weather and a lack of support. My estimates would be around 250K first week WW.

Yeah, I'm waiting on the patch for HR.  I'll also pick up RE5:Gold.  I agree on the dual shock.  I tried it and it works fine.  For longer sessions or if you're seriously going to want to use Move for Socom or the like I would advise the sub-controller but it's for sure not needed.

Sports Champions (maybe Start the Party) are the only retail titles that make sense for me.  SC is very good with two controllers and good with one.  But, some of the events feel a little weak next to the best ones.  For me it's worth it just for the table tennis, which is great.

Start the party I don't like much myself but know just from the demo my kids, my neighbours kids and other kids in our street all loved.  The augmented reality was the selling point rather than the actual games.  Eyepet as you say is a no-brainer for kids.

Personally, if I was Sony I would have combined SC and Start the Party into a single title, which would have been a much more compelling draw I think, covering both the fun party angle and the Wii Sports angle in one fell swoop.  I guess they're hoping to cast a wider net this way (and make a bit more money from two titles) but I think offering both combined would have been a lot more compelling to consumers.

Tumble is very good from PSN I think, if you like that sort of thing.  The only other demo that impressed was Echochrome (spelling?  I think I'm forgetting it's title, anyway, Echo something...).

The rest is a bit meh but I guess that was to be expected.

I have found using move on the menu's suprisingly easy.

wandering if we will get some news about the sales from Sony on Monday? although Sony rarely tell about its sales...

The controllers would sell as a lot of gamers have the pseye alread. It is the casuals who would move the console bundle and that would take time.