There are Masques that teach hate and violence. There are Imams that teach hate and violence. Tell me what to call just those religious institutions and teachers, and I will use that word.

Muslim Extremist is not it anymore. It might have been in the past, but thanks to media and the US government, today that just means "one crazy guy who did something your falsely accusing a religion of being a part of".

You're talking as if there aren't Christian churches who teach hate and violence. And I have no problem with calling an extremist muslim for what he/she is, but that doesn't mean I'll be foolish enough to say that it's the religion's fault.

Also, don't you think that maybe the reason the media is afraid to use the term "muslim extremist", is because they'd have to use the term "christian extremist" every time a Christian would do such an act, else they might seem biased?

I am fine with that.

Every time a Christian Church funds, equips, trains someone, and sends them to kill, we call them Christian Extremists.

Find me one Christian Church that has done this. How many Masques do I need find to prove my point? 1, 5, 10, 100?

I dunno. UKians have Anjem Choudary (who certainly has many more followers than Terry Jones and his pitiful 50) and his ilk.

Speaking of Angry Anjem, the fat fuck reared his ugly head today.

Wasn't there some preacher who called for the assassination of Barrack Obama?

I haven't read this thread yet (but I will) but I think there's going to be some sort of retaliation.  Somebody is going to lose their life because these people want to make a statement from the safety of their Florida homes.  At a time when people are trying to de-escalate and build bridges, why do something that is so blatantly hate based?  Some guy in Iraq is probably going to be inspired to blow himself up and kill a few people because this incident pushes his buttons.  Of course, that guy will be in the wrong but there's no reason to provoke.

No.  It wouldn't... and not it wouldn't.

You're just... wrong.  It just can't be expressed how wrong you are.

Once again, you show a complete disgracelful lack of knowledge about PTSD as well... to the point of where it's just... insulting now.  Compairing PTSD to homophobia... seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?  That's just so ignorant i don't kno where to begin.

A "sliding scale" arguement?  Really?   Sounds like the kind of arguement some people you'd disagree with who are on the more extreme stupid side would agree with.  Like this church.  They'd just make the arguement the other way.

I actually thought at some point you were going to try and articulate a real argument since you've seen to show displeasure and making imature and insulting arguments in the past but... screw it.  I'm done.

The mosque in my opinion is absolutely fine.  There are plenty of other places of worship around the ground zero.  Also, the area around ground zero is home to several liqour stores and strip clubs - not exactly 'sacred ground' people try to make it out to be.

It's nothing wrong with a mosque being there.

Burning a koran though... let's just say if the muslims burned a bible people would be ready to get violent.  The burning of the Koran is a much bigger offense than a controversy of where a place of worship should be built.

Mafoo, even the heads of the church, the president of the USA (the head of country) , the director of the pharmacy i work in.......they dont get to have their thoughts/idea transfered telekenetically to MY brain and osul.

Just because corrupt men reach a position of power on earth it doesnt change the basis of the religion and give you or anyone the right to immediately lump innocent individuals with a level head and a pure heart in with them. It is simply not fair and illogical. 

Religion transcends mortal beings a way that everyone can (see: should) take something personal from its scripture....as you say in your analogy with the Catholic church, i dont find it a fault with Catholicism, sure the heads of the church were corrupt, evil and sinister men but the RELIGION transcends those earthly corrupt beings. 

Im completely agnostic, but i appreciate and respect what people pull from faith, the text is there for anyone to read, interpret or pull whatever they individually get out of it. Just because on earth we have corrupt people in modern day using the holy pedestal of the Islamic faith to do horrible things, it doesnt make the Religion evil, simply those corruptable MEN/HUMANS who weaseled their way to a position of power, the same way as molestation in the Catholic church doesnt fall on the religion itself, only the corrupt people in power.

I'm not sure if youre just taking the easy shock value way out, havent thought about it enough to hold this debate or simply just buy into the hatred that we as Americans are being spoon fed, but you simply cannot isolate, even the leaders of the church who are human beings, corruptable and tempted by sin, to simply override the ACTUAL teaching of the religion. So using loose terms to blanket all believer of th eIslamic faith, regardless of those corrupt in positions of power, is not only inappropriate but in the context of what religion/faith is, is simply wrong.

thank you sapphi for getting my hopes up for nothing! :(