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Xbbjf9s said:
Scoobes said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

@theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

Would you please stop associating the actions of a few as being the actions of an entire religion.

I don't think for one second that the US is Islamophobic (although some individuals obviously are), but you constantly sound like it.

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Not to mention there are FAR more Muslim service men/women who have fought (and died) alongside their other Amercian soldiers than this one example of an murderer.



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superchunk said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Scoobes said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

@theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

Would you please stop associating the actions of a few as being the actions of an entire religion.

I don't think for one second that the US is Islamophobic (although some individuals obviously are), but you constantly sound like it.

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Not to mention there are FAR more Muslim service men/women who have fought (and died) alongside their other Amercian soldiers than this one example of an murderer.


I think his distorted agenda shows that this is far from a "myth"



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

Kasz216 said:

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I understand what you're saying kasz, and I understand that the media is full of hate/fear mongering.

But if I knew someone who did this, I would slap the shit out of them.

They talk like the mosque is a victory symbol. It's not. It's just another day in NYC. They want to put it there because it's prime real-estate. That area is so busy and the people who do business there are of every race and creed, and islam, being the harsh mistress that it is, requires more dedication. You're saying that business men in that area have no right to worship?

It has nothing to do with victory or anything. It's an open space.

Sure there will be people who take offense, but it's a silly thing to take offense over.

The islamic people who are here are seeking refuge. The sunni and shiites and other terrorist groups terrorize everyone, not just americans. Peole leave iraq and iran and come here to get away. The mosque is not a symbol of victory for muslims. It is American.

If a child were to say, daddy why is there a mosque right next to ground zero? The answer should be, "because we are the greatest country in the world, and nothing will ever stop us from protecting our friends and preserving the rights of every man, woman, and child"



Scoobes said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

@theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

Would you please stop associating the actions of a few as being the actions of an entire religion.

I don't think for one second that the US is Islamophobic (although some individuals obviously are), but you constantly sound like it.

A phobia is an irrational fear. A small percentage of spiders are harmful that leads to people having the fear. A small amount of Muslims are terrorists. Sure it is an irrational fear but considering the same principles of any other fear, it is bound to occur when terrorists (specifically Islamic) seem to be in a greater abundance than ever.

Here is an example, there was recently an explosion near where I live. The person thought it was a terrorists attacking, it is just an instilled reaction from what has happened to the West from a minority of brainwashed (insert word here) people from the east killing or fighting in the name of allah to kill/harm the infedels.

EDIT: When other (minorities from other) religious groups start blowing themselves up, there will clearly be irrational fears coming from that. *Irish Catholics i'm staring at you!*



FootballFan said:
Scoobes said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

@theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

Would you please stop associating the actions of a few as being the actions of an entire religion.

I don't think for one second that the US is Islamophobic (although some individuals obviously are), but you constantly sound like it.

A phobia is an irrational fear. A small percentage of spiders are harmful that leads to people having the fear. A small amount of Muslims are terrorists. Sure it is an irrational fear but considering the same principles of any other fear, it is bound to occur when terrorists (specifically Islamic) seem to be in a greater abundance than ever.

Here is an example, there was recently an explosion near where I live. The person thought it was a terrorists attacking, it is just an instilled reaction from what has happened to the West from a minority of brainwashed (insert word here) people from the east killing or fighting in the name of allah to kill/harm the infedels.


I think that media feeding you that national secruity is always at risk doesn't help.



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theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:

-snip-

I understand what you're saying kasz, and I understand that the media is full of hate/fear mongering.

But if I knew someone who did this, I would slap the shit out of them.

They talk like the mosque is a victory symbol. It's not. It's just another day in NYC. They want to put it there because it's prime real-estate. That area is so busy and the people who do business there are of every race and creed, and islam, being the harsh mistress that it is, requires more dedication. You're saying that business men in that area have no right to worship?

It has nothing to do with victory or anything. It's an open space.

Sure there will be people who take offense, but it's a silly thing to take offense over.

The islamic people who are here are seeking refuge. The sunni and shiites and other terrorist groups terrorize everyone, not just americans. Peole leave iraq and iran and come here to get away. The mosque is not a symbol of victory for muslims. It is American.

If a child were to say, daddy why is there a mosque right next to ground zero? The answer should be, "because we are the greatest country in the world, and nothing will ever stop us from protecting our friends and preserving the rights of every man, woman, and child"

Once again... you are simply not looking at it correctly.

If, radical Christians killed your daughter in an abortion clinic bombing near your work.

How would you feel about an Church being put up right next to said ruins that you have to drive by every day?


The mosque being there will be a sign of america's greatness.

But the greatness that we even protect the rights of people when they use those rights to be insensitive assholes.

The same as the KKK's right to throwing racist protests is a sign of America's greatness.

 

Building a giant grand church near an abortion clinic would be a douchebag move, or a burned down mosque by fundamental christians.   This is no different.   Except for media reaction.

Had Christian fundamentalists destroyed a building and killed people... and christian leaders built a huge 15 story church wthin visibility...

the Media would do nothing but complain about why it coudn't be moved.



superchunk said:
badgenome said:
 

I don't think you have to be an "Islamophobe" to think that choosing this location for a mosque shows a serious lack of propriety, and I'm pretty sure that 70% of the population isn't Islamophobic (regardless of what Time magazine says, and it was that article to which Goldberg was responding).

It seems to me that you're suggesting that nobody should even be talking about this because it might encourage radicals to do something.  The tenor of the whole debate on both sides has disappointed me, but people are still responsible for what they do. "I SAW SUM SHIT ON TEH NEWZ AN IT MAED ME ANGREY" isn't an excuse, and if someone punches out a mosque opponent tomorrow, I doubt you'll be so quick to blame it on the intemperence of a whole faction.

The reason given to the mosque issue is based on a series of fallacies. Its not at Ground Zero, nor is it a terrorist center or a trophy for the terrorists, etc. The whole issue is stemmed in Islamaphobia and the underlying ideas by way too many Americans that Muslims are simply terrorist and as such Mosques are breeding grounds for these terrorist. Why else is there another big uproar in Tennessee over another new Mosque proposal? Just because these people are not physically attacking people doesn't mean they are generally afraid of Muslims and Islam due to ignorant beliefs about the religion.

I never said the issue shouldn't be discussed because it might incite radicals, but that it shouldn't be discussed because its entirely ludicrous and a result of its discussion is a natural increase in attacks.

As for your last statement, true I wouldn't call it intemperance of a whole faction; I'd call it another example of inflamed actions out of hate and anger that came from this absurd Mosque conflict.

You find it to be absurd, and it can be argued that there is no rational reason for the mosque not to be there, but there is certainly an emotional reason to locate it elsewhere. The overwhelming majority of Americans oppose it, and since the Cordoba Initiative says its mission is to build bridges, one would think they would see the value of respecting people's sensitivities. After all, the imam involved said during the Mohammed cartoon uproar that he respected freedom of speech but found the cartoons to be appalling and even a "willful fomentation" (and this at a time when death threats were flying like crazy).  So he, of all people, should understand that just because someone has the right to do something, doesn't mean they should.

I think most people's anger and frustration is less about "mulimz r terists" and more about the perception that tolerance is always going to be a one way street.



Kasz216 said:
 

Once again... you are simply not looking at it correctly.

If, radical Christians killed your daughter in an abortion clinic bombing near your work.

How would you feel about an Church being put up right next to said ruins that you have to drive by every day?


The mosque being there will be a sign of america's greatness.

But the greatness that we even protect the rights of people when they use those rights to be giant assholes.

I wouldn't care because I don't have a irrational fear (phobia) of Christians. I would know this was a terrorist action of a single group/person and not Christianity.

Plus, the mosque IS NOT NEXT DOOR TO GROUND ZERO! Its over 400ft away and only 80ft from an existing mosque.



Kamal said:
FootballFan said:
Scoobes said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

@theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

Would you please stop associating the actions of a few as being the actions of an entire religion.

I don't think for one second that the US is Islamophobic (although some individuals obviously are), but you constantly sound like it.

A phobia is an irrational fear. A small percentage of spiders are harmful that leads to people having the fear. A small amount of Muslims are terrorists. Sure it is an irrational fear but considering the same principles of any other fear, it is bound to occur when terrorists (specifically Islamic) seem to be in a greater abundance than ever.

Here is an example, there was recently an explosion near where I live. The person thought it was a terrorists attacking, it is just an instilled reaction from what has happened to the West from a minority of brainwashed (insert word here) people from the east killing or fighting in the name of allah to kill/harm the infedels.


I think that media feeding you that national secruity is always at risk doesn't help.

National security is always crucial and one "health and safety" thing that many would argue that is worth keeping. It is all a question of the government believing there isn't a chance of something happening. In general in this country we assume the worst. Lawyers, circle us like wolves.  I do agree it is taken to far though, did you know we still have troops based in Germany incase we are subjected to an attack? Now that, is bizzare.



FootballFan said:
Scoobes said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

@theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

Would you please stop associating the actions of a few as being the actions of an entire religion.

I don't think for one second that the US is Islamophobic (although some individuals obviously are), but you constantly sound like it.

A phobia is an irrational fear. A small percentage of spiders are harmful that leads to people having the fear. A small amount of Muslims are terrorists. Sure it is an irrational fear but considering the same principles of any other fear, it is bound to occur when terrorists (specifically Islamic) seem to be in a greater abundance than ever.

Here is an example, there was recently an explosion near where I live. The person thought it was a terrorists attacking, it is just an instilled reaction from what has happened to the West from a minority of brainwashed (insert word here) people from the east killing or fighting in the name of allah to kill/harm the infedels.

It's still irrational as you say and something that people should try to overcome. The IRA were constantly bombing London, yet I don't have a fear of the Irish (although that could be c'os they're great on a night out in the pub!).

That irrational fear shouldn't become cause to completely blame an entire group.

Off topic: The spiders thing probably isn't the best example. There's also some inherrent psychological reason for the fear due to the way they move... it's just creepy :P