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The idea that the U.S. has Islamophobia is a myth

Here’s a thought: The 70 percent of Americans who oppose what amounts to an Islamic Niketown two blocks from ground zero are the real victims of a climate of hate, and the much-ballyhooed anti-Muslim backlash is mostly a myth.

According to the FBI, hate crimes against Muslims increased by a staggering 1,600 percent in 2001. That sounds serious! But wait, the increase is a math mirage. There were 28 anti-Islamic incidents in 2000. That number climbed to 481 the year Muslim terrorists murdered 3,000 Americans in the name of Islam on Sept. 11.

Now, that was a hate crime.

Regardless, 2001 was the zenith of the much-discussed anti-Muslim backlash in the U.S. — and civil libertarians and Muslim activists insisted it was 1930s Germany all over again. In 2002, anti-Islamic hate-crime incidents (overwhelmingly, nonviolent vandalism and nasty words) dropped to 155. The number has hovered around the mid-100s or lower ever since.

Sure, even one hate crime is too many. But does that sound like an anti-Muslim backlash?

America is, outside of Israel, probably the most receptive and tolerant country in the world to Jews. And yet, every year since 9/11, more Jews have been hate-crime victims than Muslims. A lot more.

In 2001, there were twice as many anti-Jewish incidents as anti-Muslim, according to the FBI. In 2002 and nearly every year since, anti-Jewish incidents have outstripped anti-Muslim incidents by at least 6 to 1. Why aren’t we talking about the anti-Jewish climate in America?

Because there isn’t one. And there isn’t an anti-Muslim climate either. Yes, there’s a lot of heated rhetoric on the Internet. Absolutely, some Americans don’t like Muslims. But you’ll hear much more open bigotry toward evangelical Christians (the “Taliban wing of the Republican Party”) than toward Muslims.

No doubt American Muslims — particularly young Muslim men with ties to the Middle East and South Asia — have been more scrutinized at airports, but does that really amount to Islamophobia, given the dangers and complexities of the war on terror?

For 10 years we’ve been subjected to news stories about the Muslim backlash. It didn’t start with President Barack Obama or with the “ground zero mosque.” President George W. Bush was at his most condescending when he explained that “Islam is peace.”

But he was right to emphasize America’s tolerance and to draw a sharp line between Muslim terrorists and their law-abiding co-religionists.

Meanwhile, to listen to Obama — say, in his famous Cairo address — you’d think America has been at war with Islam for 30 years and only now, thanks to him, can we heal the rift. It’s an odd argument given that Americans have shed a lot of blood for Muslims over the last three decades: to end the slaughter of Muslims in the Balkans, to feed Somalis and to liberate Kuwaitis, Iraqis and Afghans. Millions of Muslims would desperately like to move to the U.S., this supposed land of intolerance.

Conversely, nowhere is there more open, honest and intentional intolerance — in words and deeds — than from certain prominent Muslim leaders around the world. And yet, Americans are the bigots?

When Muslim fanatics kill Americans (after, say, the Fort Hood slaughter) a reflexive response from the Obama administration is to fret over anti-Islamic backlash.

Obama and Co. automatically proclaim that such orchestrated terrorist attacks are “isolated” events. But when it comes to mainstream Americans, veterans, ObamaCare opponents or (shudder) tea partiers, there’s no generalization too broad or too insulting for the left.

It’s fine to avoid negative stereotypes of Muslims, but why the rush to embrace them when it comes to Americans?

And now, thanks to the entirely avoidable “ground zero mosque” controversy, we are again discussing America’s Islamophobia, which, according to Time magazine, is just another chapter in America’s history of intolerance.

When, pray tell, will Time magazine devote an issue to its, and this administration’s, intolerance of the American people?

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Yeah, the media is just bored. They don't want to do real news, so they make something small into something huge. 



In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

Article is self defeating.

1. Even after the total number decreased it was still over 4 times higher than pre2001, shown some increase in at least reported incidents.

2. Of the 3000 people murdered on 9/11, a great number of them were Muslim as well.

3. The 'controversial' Mosque is closer to an existing Mosque than Ground Zero and you can't even see it from Ground Zero.

4. This is raised in US because we are the US and must hold ourselves to higher levels and standards than any other nation, especially those Muslim nations you all like to use for comparison so much.

5. No one says America is a land of intolerance, just that it seems the right-wing is becoming more and more radical, which is scary as that path leads to the same extreamism we denounce daily.

6. Author's name is 'Goldberg' (Jewish).... ok j/k on that one, just thought it was funny, ya know whole Isreali/Jewish issue with Palestinian/Arab/Muslim etc... ok joke has past.



@superchunk - you must have read a different article. 

Hate crimes against jew outstrip hate crimes against muslim 6-1.

So wouldn't America have Israeliphobia more than islamaphonbia?



That's just the way part of the media is, trying to cram their pseudo-liberal marxist revisionism and personal interests as true history. In time muslims are becoming the untouchable and inquestionable victims much like it happened with blacks in the past. 



 

 

 

 

 

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PizzaFaceGamer said:

@superchunk - you must have read a different article. 

Hate crimes against jew outstrip hate crimes against muslim 6-1.

So wouldn't America have Israeliphobia more than islamaphonbia?


Just because one group is larger than the other doesn't mean the acts of phobia on the smaller group are irrelavent. That is a fallacy in logic.

Jews are a larger population and have better political connections allowing more items to come up than Muslims, so its natural for it to be larger.

Additionally, it doesn't take away that post2001 attacks on Muslims are FAR higher than they were before and during times with media created frenzies like this absurd issue with the Mosque they increase again.

You're just minimalizing that which you disagree with.



superchunk said:

Article is self defeating.

1. Even after the total number decreased it was still over 4 times higher than pre2001, shown some increase in at least reported incidents.

2. Of the 3000 people murdered on 9/11, a great number of them were Muslim as well.

3. The 'controversial' Mosque is closer to an existing Mosque than Ground Zero and you can't even see it from Ground Zero.

4. This is raised in US because we are the US and must hold ourselves to higher levels and standards than any other nation, especially those Muslim nations you all like to use for comparison so much.

5. No one says America is a land of intolerance, just that it seems the right-wing is becoming more and more radical, which is scary as that path leads to the same extreamism we denounce daily.

6. Author's name is 'Goldberg' (Jewish).... ok j/k on that one, just thought it was funny, ya know whole Isreali/Jewish issue with Palestinian/Arab/Muslim etc... ok joke has past.

3)  The existing community centre isn't... 15 stories tall.  The old one is like... 2 stories tall.

The current community centre WILL be visible from ground zero... look it up on google maps and the buildings between it... there is one building between it and it's a wide 2 story building.



PizzaFaceGamer said:

When Muslim fanatics kill Americans (after, say, the Fort Hood slaughter) a reflexive response from the Obama administration is to fret over anti-Islamic backlash.

Obama and Co. automatically proclaim that such orchestrated terrorist attacks are “isolated” events. But when it comes to mainstream Americans, veterans, ObamaCare opponents or (shudder) tea partiers, there’s no generalization too broad or too insulting for the left.

This x1000.



Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:

Article is self defeating.

1. Even after the total number decreased it was still over 4 times higher than pre2001, shown some increase in at least reported incidents.

2. Of the 3000 people murdered on 9/11, a great number of them were Muslim as well.

3. The 'controversial' Mosque is closer to an existing Mosque than Ground Zero and you can't even see it from Ground Zero.

4. This is raised in US because we are the US and must hold ourselves to higher levels and standards than any other nation, especially those Muslim nations you all like to use for comparison so much.

5. No one says America is a land of intolerance, just that it seems the right-wing is becoming more and more radical, which is scary as that path leads to the same extreamism we denounce daily.

6. Author's name is 'Goldberg' (Jewish).... ok j/k on that one, just thought it was funny, ya know whole Isreali/Jewish issue with Palestinian/Arab/Muslim etc... ok joke has past.

3)  The existing community centre isn't... 15 stories tall.

So its not the relative proximity but the height? Just build a bigger memorial... oh wait one hasn't been built yet... after 9 years...



superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:

Article is self defeating.

1. Even after the total number decreased it was still over 4 times higher than pre2001, shown some increase in at least reported incidents.

2. Of the 3000 people murdered on 9/11, a great number of them were Muslim as well.

3. The 'controversial' Mosque is closer to an existing Mosque than Ground Zero and you can't even see it from Ground Zero.

4. This is raised in US because we are the US and must hold ourselves to higher levels and standards than any other nation, especially those Muslim nations you all like to use for comparison so much.

5. No one says America is a land of intolerance, just that it seems the right-wing is becoming more and more radical, which is scary as that path leads to the same extreamism we denounce daily.

6. Author's name is 'Goldberg' (Jewish).... ok j/k on that one, just thought it was funny, ya know whole Isreali/Jewish issue with Palestinian/Arab/Muslim etc... ok joke has past.

3)  The existing community centre isn't... 15 stories tall.

So its not the relative proximity but the height? Just build a bigger memorial... oh wait one hasn't been built yet... after 9 years...

Yes?  The real problem isn't really the height or the location.  It's the visibility.

I mean, it'd be like building a giant church within visibility of a burned down mosque that people who lost people in the fire had to walk by every day to get to their replacement mosque.

You have the legal right to do it, but you'd be a huge douchebag for doing it.

Although you know... not as bad, since one mosque isn't really equivlenet since way more people make the commute.

It's common senese...