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Sigh, can leave this kind of thread at Yahoo community? This site is suppose to be for gamers and a playground for Xbots vs Sony Defense Force, add in some Ninty fanboys.

Anybody interested in this kind of debate can always speak to their heart content in Yahoo comments and leave us gamers alone.



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tingyu said:

Sigh, can leave this kind of thread at Yahoo community? This site is suppose to be for gamers and a playground for Xbots vs Sony Defense Force, add in some Ninty fanboys.

Anybody interested in this kind of debate can always speak to their heart content in Yahoo comments and leave us gamers alone.

Or you could stop entering the "off topic forum"?

Who am I kidding that would be unreasonable.



TheRealMafoo said:
johnsobas said:
TheRealMafoo said:
johnsobas said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:

If I don't hate Islam then I must be ok with my country having Sharia law? Completely doesn't follow. A lot of moderate Muslims don't even want Sharia law.


But what about the ones that do? At what point, do you stop defending a religion, and start defending freedom?

What will it take for you to look at a particular Muslim and say "Your not allowed to do that in the name of your religion".

I realize bombing something counts, but is anything short of that OK?


well obviously breaking the law is the point at which it is not OK, whenever that takes place.  Defending freedom is exactly what people are doing here, it's ironic that you want to protect our freedom by taking it away.  


I want to take away your freedom to destroy liberty. That's what We did to the British when we founded this country.

How about we change the players...

Let's say I started a religious sect, and called it "The Christian Nazi Church of God". My church believed that for the US to be under True law, that only Christians could hold office, and no Muslim or Jew should be allowed to step foot into Washington DC. This is this the way, though my Christian god, I wished my country to become.

I found the highest concentration of Jews in the US (somewhere in New York), and I started building my 15 story church, finished with a 100 foot Swastika and Cross on the top.

Would you think everyone who is against this church, is anti-Christian? Would you think not helping there vision of a perfect world be suppression of freedom?

Would you fight for there religious equality?

As long as they don't break the law or infringe on others rights there is really nothing wrong with it.  I'm sure you can find plenty of cults that say anti-american things, anti-whatever you want to make of it (which islam is not).  They can only do damage if you let them, they can only take over your law and courts if you let them.  If they are that good that they can convince enough Americans to join their cult, put democratically elected politicians in power, and make amendments to the constitution then the problem is not the cult itself, it is the American people.  Like i said if they are within the laws of the land, and don't infringe on others rights then there shouldn't  be a problem.


Fair enough. This is actually a good answer. I guess I am just pissed off that what I put in bold, has already been done, but not in the name of religion. In the name of socialism.

I tire of watching our country be destroyed by extremism, that I am willing to stop a different kind of extremism at a much earlier phase of growth then I guess I should.

don't really agree with the specifics there, but i will say that people that do things in the name of the good of the country/constitution/freedom/christianity are far more dangerous than anything else right now.  There are a lot of 2 faced politicians out there that use these as their reasons to work their own agenda.  



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I did not read whole the tread;.Way to long but anyway who are the ones attacking the Jews?

Just search 'Jews under attack in Europe' or 'Jews leave Europe' and you get a ton of news articles about Jews having a hard time because of the Muslim immigrants;

Would be interesting to know..



 

Lostplanet22 said:

I did not read whole the tread;.Way to long but anyway who are the ones attacking the Jews?

Just search 'Jews under attack in Europe' or 'Jews leave Europe' and you get a ton of news articles about Jews having a hard time because of the Muslim immigrants;

Would be interesting to know..

I had read a few articles about that actually. Got any relevant links?



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FaRmLaNd said:
Lostplanet22 said:

I did not read whole the tread;.Way to long but anyway who are the ones attacking the Jews?

Just search 'Jews under attack in Europe' or 'Jews leave Europe' and you get a ton of news articles about Jews having a hard time because of the Muslim immigrants;

Would be interesting to know..

I had read a few articles about that actually. Got any relevant links?

Hope this is relevant:

Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/7278532/Jews-leave-Swedish-city-after-sharp-rise-in-anti-Semitic-hate-crimes.html

Muslims on rampage against Jews in Belgium ... and in Sweden

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012301.html

BERLIN - Arab youths threw stones at a Jewish dance group during a street festival in Hannover, injuring one dancer and forcing the group to cancel its performance, German police and dance officials said Thursday.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/bringing-nazism-back-in-germany-muslims-stone-jewish-dance-group.html


 Muslims Target Jews in Netherlands

http://borderalert.usbc.org/terrorism/canary-in-the-coalmine-muslims-target-jews-in-netherlands




 

TheRealMafoo said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

The whole point of the article is:

There is no islamophobia, because there is a higher number of recorded anti-semite incidents.

Someone who argues like this must either be extremely stupid, or - what I believe to be more probable - believe his readers to be just that.

Well, in the end it's just another silly article from the man who has a logical fallacy named after him and who wrote "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."


I the worst year ever, we had 1,600 crimes against Muslims.

We have over 2 million Muslims in this country. At just 2 million, that's 1 crime per every 1,250 people. Every other year, it was less then 1 per 11,000 people.

Sorry, but that's VERY good religions tolerance if you ask me. I would like to know what other countries are like. I bet it's not near as good as 1 in 11,000.

FBI's UCR statistics are inherently flawed.  They depend on local and state authorities to report hate crimes.  William Rubenstein at UCLA has written a very comprehensive article on the issue.  Essentially, some states use different mechanisms to prosecute hate crimes and others simply under report hate crimes.  This happens either because the police officer doesn't want to fill out additional paperwork, or because of an inherent distrust of the police by the community in question.  This skews the results to a point where they can't be relied upon to estimate hate crimes against a particular group.  In addition, it makes no distinction between property damage and personal injury.  While I agree that most Americans are tolerant of other religions, there is a disturbing subset of the population that believes Islam is a violent cult that must be stopped at all costs.  As an example, look at the people protesting the Murfreesboro, Tennessee mosque.  If you ask me, that is not "VERY good" religious tolerance; in fact it's an insult to the men and women who risk and lose their lives defending the Constitution.



Chunk the only issue is the moral high ground and you seem to want everyone on that high ground.

Even if the US gov't isnt directly invovled in global friends social decline then US companies will see the opportunity.

The quote is still relevant, keeping dictators in power to keep resources flowing makes sense for American businesses to invest without worry of instability in that region.

I am saying Americans should not be calling Americans the bad guys at least not in this manner. The rest of the world can say whatever they want, they are the rest of the world and honestly most Americans don't seem to notice the attention.



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Did you know

... that Winston Churchill was the first where said the Qu'ran is comparable to Hitler's Mein Kampf
... that Kemal Ataturk said about Islam ... Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse that poisons our lives

... that Hitler's "Mein Kampf" is the second best-selling books in the Islamic world just behind the Qu'ran
... that the killing of infidels, homosexuals is a central requirement in the Qu'ran, etc., over 50 surahs busy themselves in a commanding (for example, Sura 2, Verse 191: ... slay the infidels wherever you find them ...)
... that all the Islamist attacks, since 09/11
and before that, are the explicit implementation of the commands of the Qu'ran to kill infidels
... that you too, according to the Qu'oran, as infidels should be killed
... that all Jews are monkeys and pigs, according to the Qu'ran
... that the translation of the word Islam does not mean peace but submission

What it needs there is a discussion that this cult is inhuman, and close to Hitler's worldview!!!



PizzaFaceGamer said:

The idea that the U.S. has Islamophobia is a myth

Here’s a thought: The 70 percent of Americans who oppose what amounts to an Islamic Niketown two blocks from ground zero are the real victims of a climate of hate, and the much-ballyhooed anti-Muslim backlash is mostly a myth.

According to the FBI, hate crimes against Muslims increased by a staggering 1,600 percent in 2001. That sounds serious! But wait, the increase is a math mirage. There were 28 anti-Islamic incidents in 2000. That number climbed to 481 the year Muslim terrorists murdered 3,000 Americans in the name of Islam on Sept. 11.

Now, that was a hate crime.

Regardless, 2001 was the zenith of the much-discussed anti-Muslim backlash in the U.S. — and civil libertarians and Muslim activists insisted it was 1930s Germany all over again. In 2002, anti-Islamic hate-crime incidents (overwhelmingly, nonviolent vandalism and nasty words) dropped to 155. The number has hovered around the mid-100s or lower ever since.

Sure, even one hate crime is too many. But does that sound like an anti-Muslim backlash?

America is, outside of Israel, probably the most receptive and tolerant country in the world to Jews. And yet, every year since 9/11, more Jews have been hate-crime victims than Muslims. A lot more.

In 2001, there were twice as many anti-Jewish incidents as anti-Muslim, according to the FBI. In 2002 and nearly every year since, anti-Jewish incidents have outstripped anti-Muslim incidents by at least 6 to 1. Why aren’t we talking about the anti-Jewish climate in America?

Because there isn’t one. And there isn’t an anti-Muslim climate either. Yes, there’s a lot of heated rhetoric on the Internet. Absolutely, some Americans don’t like Muslims. But you’ll hear much more open bigotry toward evangelical Christians (the “Taliban wing of the Republican Party”) than toward Muslims.

No doubt American Muslims — particularly young Muslim men with ties to the Middle East and South Asia — have been more scrutinized at airports, but does that really amount to Islamophobia, given the dangers and complexities of the war on terror?

For 10 years we’ve been subjected to news stories about the Muslim backlash. It didn’t start with President Barack Obama or with the “ground zero mosque.” President George W. Bush was at his most condescending when he explained that “Islam is peace.”

But he was right to emphasize America’s tolerance and to draw a sharp line between Muslim terrorists and their law-abiding co-religionists.

Meanwhile, to listen to Obama — say, in his famous Cairo address — you’d think America has been at war with Islam for 30 years and only now, thanks to him, can we heal the rift. It’s an odd argument given that Americans have shed a lot of blood for Muslims over the last three decades: to end the slaughter of Muslims in the Balkans, to feed Somalis and to liberate Kuwaitis, Iraqis and Afghans. Millions of Muslims would desperately like to move to the U.S., this supposed land of intolerance.

Conversely, nowhere is there more open, honest and intentional intolerance — in words and deeds — than from certain prominent Muslim leaders around the world. And yet, Americans are the bigots?

When Muslim fanatics kill Americans (after, say, the Fort Hood slaughter) a reflexive response from the Obama administration is to fret over anti-Islamic backlash.

Obama and Co. automatically proclaim that such orchestrated terrorist attacks are “isolated” events. But when it comes to mainstream Americans, veterans, ObamaCare opponents or (shudder) tea partiers, there’s no generalization too broad or too insulting for the left.

It’s fine to avoid negative stereotypes of Muslims, but why the rush to embrace them when it comes to Americans?

And now, thanks to the entirely avoidable “ground zero mosque” controversy, we are again discussing America’s Islamophobia, which, according to Time magazine, is just another chapter in America’s history of intolerance.

When, pray tell, will Time magazine devote an issue to its, and this administration’s, intolerance of the American people?

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AMAZING facts the liberal media doesn't want you to hear.

I agree with most of this writing, i live in Colombia and many times i talk with someone in the developed countries i get the same question ¿Do you hate us?, and they only ask it cause we had(read:HAD) a communist guerrilla that has now turned into just an army of drugs dealer with no philosophical background at all, that guerrilla only cares about destroying absolutely everything the rest of colombians try to build and to get as much money as they can with their guns. They burns or steal your cars cause it is a sign capitalism, but later you see them riding the same cars that "someone" got stolen.

I am pretty sure most of the muslim people hates the terrorist that attacks even their own people and tains with blood their religion and their whole culture.



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