@theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan
@theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan
theprof00 said:
Oh, I didn't know we were arguing that they should grow thicker skin. I thought we were arguing over an american civil liberty granted by the constitution. |
No. And that is mistake you are making. You are jumping to huge conclusions that this violates civil rights.
They have a right to build a mosque there. People also have the right to express their 1st ammendment right and protest the shit out of building a mosque in an insensitive place.
Or anywhere for that matter, but you know. The NYC case actually has a point, logic and good reasoning.
Building the mosque where they want to is like the equilvent to saying something racist on the radio.
You have every right to say something racist on the radio, but it's going to needlessly hurt peoples feelings.
As such you are going to have to deal with the reaction of otheres expressing their first amendment rights.
They have the right to build there... and i've literally seen nobody say they don't. The point is... it's a VERY insensitive and douchebag move to build there... and people are pissed.
Would you defend a plan to build a bunch of churches right next to the ruins of bombed out aborition clinics? Me, i'd be complain like all hell about that.
Actual Civil right issues don't come into play unless it's being blocked legally and for religious reasons.

| PizzaFaceGamer said: @theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah. |
pizzaface- "remove the laws that protect these people....and watch what happens.


Slimebeast said:
You mean like in Sweden? |
You mean like Britain?


| badgenome said: I don't think you have to be an "Islamophobe" to think that choosing this location for a mosque shows a serious lack of propriety, and I'm pretty sure that 70% of the population isn't Islamophobic (regardless of what Time magazine says, and it was that article to which Goldberg was responding). It seems to me that you're suggesting that nobody should even be talking about this because it might encourage radicals to do something. The tenor of the whole debate on both sides has disappointed me, but people are still responsible for what they do. "I SAW SUM SHIT ON TEH NEWZ AN IT MAED ME ANGREY" isn't an excuse, and if someone punches out a mosque opponent tomorrow, I doubt you'll be so quick to blame it on the intemperence of a whole faction. |
The reason given to the mosque issue is based on a series of fallacies. Its not at Ground Zero, nor is it a terrorist center or a trophy for the terrorists, etc. The whole issue is stemmed in Islamaphobia and the underlying ideas that way too many Americans think that Muslims are simply terrorists and as such Mosques are breeding grounds for these terrorist. Why else is there another big uproar in Tennessee over another new Mosque proposal? Just because these people are not physically attacking people doesn't mean they are generally afraid of Muslims and Islam due to ignorant beliefs about the religion.
I never said the issue shouldn't be discussed because it might incite radicals, but that it shouldn't be discussed because its entirely ludicrous and a result of its discussion is a natural increase in attacks.
As for your last statement, true I wouldn't call it intemperance of a whole faction; I'd call it another example of inflamed actions out of hate and anger that came from this absurd Mosque conflict.
theprof00 said:
It's been increasing over the last week. I understand that it's due to media coverage, but this is how things start. There's a couple clashes. The judges will rule for muslims, and then the real backlash will happen. It's like when integration of blacks happened in the school systems. racial violence was going down and then for the next 20 years they increased. This is just the start. |
You can't say its increasing because of what the media is reporting on for a week. You'd have to wait till the FBI puts its report out for the whole year. I'd bet it would show it's still around 150.
We live in a much different environment then when blacks were being integrated into the schools. In fact, the vast majority of the people who were opposed to desegregation were Democrats (as well as being the ones to pass Jim Crow laws). Do you think their party holds the same level of racism as it did before? If not, then you must think we are obviously living in a better, more tolerant time.
| PizzaFaceGamer said: @theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah. |
Again with the idiotic use of comparisons to those we should strive to not act like.
Do you really want to live in a country of intolerance and ignrance towards all people? Regardless of the banner that nation waves, it would just as much of a shit hole as Saudi Arabia or any other extreamist nation over there.
I just don't understand the want to act in a clearly sub-humane manner just because someone else does it.
WE MUST HOLD OURSELVES TO HIGHER STANDARDS IN ACCORDANCE WITH UPHOLDING OUR CONSTITUTION AND CIVIL LAWS!
| PizzaFaceGamer said: @theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah. |
Would you please stop associating the actions of a few as being the actions of an entire religion.
I don't think for one second that the US is Islamophobic (although some individuals obviously are), but you constantly sound like it.
Scoobes said:
Would you please stop associating the actions of a few as being the actions of an entire religion. I don't think for one second that the US is Islamophobic (although some individuals obviously are), but you constantly sound like it. |
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| PizzaFaceGamer said: @theprof - i'm surprised americans are so tolerant of muslims especially since they continue to murder americans like muslim terrorist Nidal Hasan who murdered 12 soldiers in the name of allah. |
I think your just discrediting your whole argument right there.
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