So the PS3 is supposed to swing a magic wand and make the A.I. so much better? I've been hearing clamorings for a "better A.I." for about 2 decades as a PC gamer, and honestly I've gotten sick and tired of it.

Because they want $500++ consoles to be the norm.

vanguardian1 said: So the PS3 is supposed to swing a magic wand and make the A.I. so much better? I've been hearing clamorings for a "better A.I." for about 2 decades as a PC gamer, and honestly I've gotten sick and tired of it.

No its more like the difference between quake III and F.E.A.R ( I say this cause hopefully you played these games on the PC). The AI in quake III is stupid AI or conditional AI, anyone who's played the game enought and nightmare mode should know.

I would say the best example would be farcry. I was completley shocked at the adaptive AI in that game ( it was an option if I remeber quickly) I put that game on easy and turned that feature on just to make it a littlebit of a challenge....... well because of how I was playing the AI got really smart really quick.

Yea there's physics and destructible environments and stuff too.  Regardless it's more than "just" graphics, it's basically about enhancing the "realism" of the game.  Now personally I don't care about that but a lot of people find it's more immersive to have the game seem more real, and that's fine.  I prefer the over-the-top style games, kinda like comparing sitcoms to slasher flicks or something.

Personally, I'm more interested in social gaming. Not so much as in MMOs, but having groups of people playing together. I love games like Wii Sports or Guitar Hero where people gather together and everyone can partake in the entertainment.

I want to see how far developers can push the envelope in terms of getting people to interact with each other. Imagine if they can make a game like twister but combine it with video gaming elements. To me that is cutting edge stuff. Social gaming is an area that has yet to be truly exploited.

FishyJoe said: Personally, I'm more interested in social gaming. Not so much as in MMOs, but having groups of people playing together. I love games like Wii Sports or Guitar Hero where people gather together and everyone can partake in the entertainment. I want to see how far developers can push the envelope in terms of getting people to interact with each other. Imagine if they can make a game like twister but combine it with video gaming elements. To me that is cutting edge stuff. Social gaming is an area that has yet to be truly exploited.

 Thats awesome. It is not my cup of tea but I will agree that would be an area of gamin that gets pushed. I would like to come across a party game I cannot resist playing.

Lingyis said: the AI is not a valid argument.  generally speaking, let's say there's a performance difference of 10 times between ps3 and wii, that doesn't not translate into "10 times better AI that you can perceive".  good AI requires clever programming and not brute force.  it's prohibitively likely you can't at all tell difference in AI given the same code for the ps3 and the wii. now, i'm not in the gaming industry, but i'll say better AI really does mean hiring programmers who actually know AI well.  i know a lot of programmers and most of them have little knowledge of AI.  i know one specialized AI programmer but i gather that they get paid a bit more and don't work for gaming companies. i don't think we're at the age of good AI yet--it's "current research" and doesn't seem to be ready for prime time.  give or take another 20 years.

Mostly better AI means better shot accuracy and enemies who dont come out of the cover every 3 seconds. Of course, with more power you can get the most benefit. But the real reason for improving AI is improving code. You can use the old AI code and make few changes to it and you have new and better AI. Someone mentioned the interacting with multiple characters, which really is the point. You just cant handle too many enemies at the same time. And physics simulation is mostly the same thing with AI. Code for using it matters the most. One thing, what PC gamers have mentioned about PS3 and 360 games is, that when you look at a crowd, console might have hundreds of people at the screen at the same time but PC games might have hundreds of people at the screen at the same time -and they all look diffent. Anyway, the power wont still hurt when playing games. By the way, PS3 has 256MB of memory, not 512 as someone here stated. And about the subject. Its not the HC gamers, who think Wii as a threat, its the fanboys. I think that Wii is a HC gamers choise. And a HC gamer chooses from 360 and PS3 to go along with the Wii. You can state that you dont like the Wii because of where it takes gaming, but if we compare it to where PS3 takes gaming with high development costs. That road leads only for smaller studios to bankrupt and studios like EA (90% crap) to rule the industry. That goth music comparision was pretty good, but that line was crossed a long time ago. Just look at the franchises in games and how those games sell. Hockey for example, majority dont play hockey games because its a good hockey game, they play it because its NHL game. Majority dont play driving games because its good driving game, they play it because its F1 on WRC game. Or someone creates a new franchise, gamers like it and it gets a good reputition, they make a shitty sequel for it, gamers dont like it, but majority buys it because its hot and then we have another shitty sequel and another... The thing is that this is happening with or without Wii. Its more like what PSX and EA have had more to do with it, than what Wii has to do with it.

Kwaad said: vanguardian1 said: I've always been more frustrated with AI cheating than AI skills, I guess it's because I usually tear apart the AI's methods and figure out how to make it easy. :-/   So essentially I guess I can say I've never been overly impressed with an A.I. in any game so far.  Just becuase I can. That is stupid AI. Stupid AI cheats. Wii = stupid AI Smart AI... is smarter than you. Smart AI cant be beaten. (unless your godly) PS3 = smart AI   (I'm sorry but I love AI stuff, and I choke out my computer sometimes. (I can run oblivion at 1080p with everything on without hiccups or anything)  It takes one HELL of a CPU to do smart AI.

Stupid AI ? Play Zelda and you comments again ! You Sony fanboy.

Don't always be the frog in the well....hahaha....alway feel funny to read your pointless post !

Keep post more funny thing everyday...hahaha...and it doesn't affect Wii strong sales, also it doesn't help PS3 poor sales as well....hahaha

ranzchic said: Because they want $500++ consoles to be the norm.

Quoted for stupidity. QFS!

 

 

We want high end systems with great graphics, great gameplay, great room for potential growth(More memory), fatser load time(CPU here), great online...In other words we want an all around great system that meets all our gaming needs, not just 1 or 2. We don't like 500 and 600 price tags, but we deal with it to get the system we want and understand why they cost that much and now tech prices drop and they will drop the costs..But we also understand a little thing called inflation...All parts of the economy deal with this. We want great all around systems to be the norm, not cheap underpowered crap that limits our games.

 

BTW, by your logic I can say all nintendo fans want $250 systems that cut corners.

bdbdbd said:   . By the way, PS3 has 256MB of memory, not 512 as someone here stated.

256MB XDR Main RAM 256MB GDDR3 VRAM
http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/TechnicalSpecifications
Two seperate pools of ram equaling 512mb. The cell and the RSX has access to both pools.
And who says FUD doesn't work............ "Stupid AI ? Play Zelda and you comments again ! You Sony fanboy." Yeah the enemies are so smart in that game I am afraid they will hop out my Wii at night and kill me.......