Why is GT5 being compared to totally unrelated genres? Is it purely for the purpose of suggesting GT5 is gonna bomb? FM2 and GT4 sold almost identical numbers in Americas, soooooo

I like this chart better.

No, I did it because someone asked me to do it.

Wasn't meaning you. You didn't make comments suggesting GT5 is doing poorly in pre-orders. People simply looked at the chart you provided, drew the wrong conclusions and proceeded to claim that GT5 wasn't meeting expectations. Seems to me GT5 is on track to be the best selling (non-Kart) racer in America this gen. Not bad for an exclusive on the distant 3rd placed console.

Because GT is one of the biggest franchises in gaming ?

It's plain obvious that it will beat Shift and Forza 3, so of course we need to compare it to other big games.

Not really in America though.

In America it's the biggest franchise in racing. Only one GT game has cracked 4 million in America (GT3 A-Spec). Admittedly it cracked it big time, making over 7 million. But really that's the only super selling GT Game in the Americas. It's the only GT game in America's all time top 50, whereas there are 4 GT games in EMEAA's top 50. As opposed to Halo where in America's all 3 main Halo games are in the top 50, but none of the Halo games are in the EMEAA top 50. Should we say Halo Reach is doing badly in pre-orders in EMEAA if it is substantially below GT5 preorders? History would say comparing GT5 preorders with Halo Reach isn't really a legitimate comparison, even though Halo is one of the biggest franchises in gaming. If Halo: Reach out-preordered GT5 in EMEAA that would be a truly momentous occasion, as would GT5 out-preordering a major shooter franchise in the Americas.

Not really in America though.

In America it's the biggest franchise in racing. Only one GT game has cracked 4 million in America (GT3 A-Spec). Admittedly it cracked it big time, making over 7 million. But really that's the only super selling GT Game in the Americas. It's the only GT game in America's all time top 50, whereas there are 4 GT games in EMEAA's top 50. As opposed to Halo where in America's all 3 main Halo games are in the top 50, but none of the Halo games are in the EMEAA top 50. Should we say Halo Reach is doing badly in pre-orders in EMEAA if it is substantially below GT5 preorders? History would say comparing GT5 preorders with Halo Reach isn't really a legitimate comparison, even though Halo is one of the biggest franchises in gaming. If Halo: Reach out-preordered GT5 in EMEAA that would be a truly momentous occasion, as would GT5 out-preordering a major shooter franchise in the Americas.

Why do people keep using GT4 as some kind of metric? If GT5 even gets remotely close to MW2 preorders it will completely smash GT4 in Americas. And as Barozi pointed out GT4 wasn't bundled in Americas, GT5 will be.

Wow talk about over-reacting.

So by me saying other games were closing in on GT5 which makes GT5 numbers seem rather average you got all that?!

FF online,Fable,Fallout,star wars, assasins creed etc etc are all doing roughly what GT5 is each week.

Not quite sure how that clasifies as "bullshit" when the numbers are there to see and see that i am right?

As for the other stuff about regions and that, wow you really went off on one. All i said is that it was doing average, which it is. But yet from that we get an essay on how it isn't it's popular region etc.. which shows that you feel you have to defend it.

But you seem to be a good fortune teller, you can predict what is going to happen. But just to correct you a little to show that maybe you don't quite know what your talking about. You mention GT5 is tracking alongside MW2 on PS3. If you look at MW2 numbers on PS3 for the first week your see that they are less then the first week for GT4 in the US. Meaning if it continues to track at MW2 rate it will be a lot lower then it's previous games opening week. With all your talk you would expect it to beat those numbers right. Because selling less is considerd better in your world yeah?

I am happy to make a bet with you right now. Put your rep on the line. You seem to think you talk the talk, now let's see if you can walk the walk. I bet you right now GT5 worldwide figures for it's first week will not beat 2.5m units sold sold. Meaning the series will have declined since GT4 was released. You claim the rest of the world is hyped about it etc.. that US sales should not be looked into too much as everywhere else is where it will sell. I live in Europe and i can tell your right now that times have changed. People don't think of the game in the same way anymore.

So how about it? You are super confident that i am wrong. You "Know" that it is going to sell xyz in Europe making it on par with certain games. If i am wrong i will leave Vgc for good. If you are wrong you put in your sig "don't listen to me, all i do is talk shit". Deal? What have you got to lose, as you are so sure your right?

Reason is because it is the last full GT game.

The same goes for all games. Like Halo 3 being compared to Halo 2. And now Reach being compared to Halo 3.

Some people change the rules by which you can compare games to suit an agenda. Only a few months ago some people on here were saying GT5 was going to smash Halo Reach in sales. Now they have backed away from that and created a new rule. They say it will smash MW2 on PS3's sales. (a noticable drop in sales prediction). But as time goes on and it tracks under that they again change the rules to say you can't compare a driving game with a fps game.

The only thing they can't change is it's previous versions sales. For GT5 to be considered succesful it has to beat GT4 sales, it is simple as that. If it doesn't then it shows the franchise has declined in popularity. 

GT is a huge franchise around the world. The defence of some is to say "oh well GT isn't expected to do well in US because Europe and Japan are it's main markets"....Which of course is nonsense. Gt4 sold 770k in it;s first week in US. Making it at the time one of the best openings for a game. Japan did almost the same numbers. Emeaa only did 200k more. Not much of a difference is it? By that logic you can say people in Emeaa don't like COD because it sold 200k more on PS3 in US then in emeaa. Which would be total rubbish. Emeaa loves MW2, hence why it sold 1.5m there in it's first week. Making it the best opening for a PS3 game this gen.

Point being sales for GT games have been high all around the world. Will sales in emeaa really be much different from that of US? That is what some are claiming. If so then how much of a difference? Are we talking millions? No. Are we talking hundreds of thousands? yes.