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Forums - Sales - Christmas 2010: PS3 vs Xbox360

About Gran Turismo; GT games aren't about pre orders, they're about tremendous legs ,the kind of legs that had GT3 on top 20 charts even when GT4 released.  Games like Halo, Final Fantasy and Need for Speed are generally a lot more frontloaded and may rack up huge pre orders (which is why the first week sales are always so massive) but the legs tend to taper off fairly quickly in comparison.

And I don't think its correct that no one cares about Gran Turismo any more. Nothing points to that (like I said; pre orders are a poor indication of GT lifetime sales and besides, its not like the competition has sold zounds either, Forza 3 will be hard pressed to beat its predecessor sitting at a little over 4 million) and all we can do is wait and see what happens when it launches.

Personally, I don't believe that GT will move a lot of hardware right away in massive bulks but will promote the library as a whole over time as a really, really awesome racing title that most PS3 owners must have. The Reach bundle will do nicely and the game itself will push some hardware but I really don't see how anyone expects it to have the same impact that Halo 3 did, launching so early into the console's lifecycle, this is not how hardware sales work.



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GT5 FTW but yea 360 if it keeps selling like it dose will win but if it quienten downs again then probley PS3



 

Let me revise my sentence:

Nowadays nobody cares about racing games anymore.

You forget that there is a internet entry (or wifi adapter) in all consoles. The "leg" of a game has changed this generation. People want to play online, with friends or achieve reputation.

Once again: Can you see 2 or 3 milion players at the same time playing GT5 online?

GT 1 to 4 were the best racing games for consoles at their time. Today we have Forza, Blur, Need For Speedy, Gothan and more.

You have to see, Reach won`t be any concurrent this spring until MOH, it will be alone at the stores for more than a month.

GT5 will face Fallout New Vegas, AC Brotherood, COD, MOH and TFU 2 in las than 4 weeks.

How can anyone belive GT5 alone can draw more atetion than 5 of the major realeases of the year?



None of those games are racing games (the ones you mention last), Blur, Need for Speed and Project Gotham Racing are entirely different experiences than Forza and GT. Forza 2 moved four times as many units as the original, clearly indicating that people do care about racing games (yes, the 360 has a bigger installed base, the sales are still massive in comparison), even GT5 Prologue has moved has moved 3.80 million units and with downloads probably just shy of 5 million. Need for Speed are losing sales because they have lost sight of what the series once was and have effectively alienated their entire audience, PGR 4 moved nearly 2 million units and in fact more than PGR 3 (which was the first to appear on the 360).

Do you also think that Assassin's Creed, CoD etc will impact the sales if Wii Party or Dancing games on Kinect? Its the same thing really, people who love racing and cars aren't suddenly going to lay down their gamepad and disconnect the steering wheel in order to shoot people online. AC and Fallout aren't really multiplayer games at any rate and are useless to that point. If having more big games across genres at the same time impaired game sales in every case, you'd see nearly nothing moving in the fall when there are typically huge games coming out on parade, often several of them launched withing weeks of one another.

Reach being alone in stores (what about Starcraft II? Won't that steal all the Reach sales? Its one of the biggest multiplayer games ever where you can go online and gain rep? Or doesn't it work that way?) has no effect on the simple fact that games released this late into a console's lifecycle have a lot less impact than the flagship titles launched early on to spurr the sales momentum forward.

No one is denying that Reach will be huge, it will be by any measure, I do think, however, that assuming that racing as a genre is forgotten and that GT will have poor sales due to shooters and medieval themed action games launching in the same space is ludicrous.

PS: Racing games are getting more and more online capacity, there are even racing MMO's out there now and racing as a genre is on board the same boat that takes people online to play against friends and strangers, comparing scores and times. If anything, seeing all the various racing games with a mature theme being launched and selling fairly well today, I'd say that the racing genre is bigger than ever. You don't need to "draw the attention" of gamers who play Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed to sell a racing game, that notion is utterly absurd.



im guessing a majority of you live in america. i dont know what you guys think of GT but over here in europe its a enormous franchise bigger than any exclusive xbox game. this will do real damage to the 360 this holiday, after all the 360 boosts wear off all it'll have is kinect to potentially be its sytem seller ( halo reach isnt) for the holiday. it could go either way really. neither will get close to the wii.



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Dark_Feanor said:

LOL, these PS3 fan boys a vary funny "dr Jones". Is it so hard to see the truth??

Just look at the charts. It's not a matter of quality, ODST was considered a avarage game, almost nothing new from Halo 3. Nevertheless it sold more than any PS3 "master piece".  

1
Halo 3: ODST (X360)
Microsoft
3.98 0.06 1.39 5.43


Uncharted 2: Among Thieves(PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
1.68 0.12 1.66 3.46
3
God of War III (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
1.74 0.10 0.94 2.78
Heavy Rain (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
0.59 0.05 0.72 1.36
MAG: Massive Action Game (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
0.54 0.07 0.26 0.87
Killzone 2 (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
1.11 0.08 1.15 2.34


I blame the Americans. Although I am one.

Edit: Wasn't ODST bundled?



Jay520 said:
Dark_Feanor said:

LOL, these PS3 fan boys a vary funny "dr Jones". Is it so hard to see the truth??

Just look at the charts. It's not a matter of quality, ODST was considered a avarage game, almost nothing new from Halo 3. Nevertheless it sold more than any PS3 "master piece".  

1
Halo 3: ODST (X360)
Microsoft
3.98 0.06 1.39 5.43


Uncharted 2: Among Thieves(PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
1.68 0.12 1.66 3.46
3
God of War III (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
1.74 0.10 0.94 2.78
Heavy Rain (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
0.59 0.05 0.72 1.36
MAG: Massive Action Game (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
0.54 0.07 0.26 0.87
Killzone 2 (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
1.11 0.08 1.15 2.34


I blame the Americans. Although I am one.

Edit: Wasn't ODST bundled?


For a little while, but it was already above all those games before it was.



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

welshbloke said:

360 will dominate unless somebody throws a curveball and the exclusives listed are not classed as curveballs. For me Microsoft are doing a good job carrying the momentum into the Xmas period and I cannot see things slowing up anytime soon.


Yeah when all that domination as u call it (never outside US) will be taken over by the Japanese numbers of  the other consoles. Microsoft are indeed doing their best to have the sales in Japan ignored...



360 because this year MS will do some huge campaign, unlike last year.



 

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ethomaz said:

System sellers??? Maybe Kinect, maybe Move and probably Gran Turismo 5.

Halo: Reach isn't the first Halo on 360... no system seller because Halo 3 was it... but Gran Turismo 5 is the first major GT for PS3... system seller confirmed (or maybe?).

Then I say "PS3".

But Move and Kinect are unknowns so...

Move sucess = PS3 wins
Kinect sucess  = Xbox 360 wins
Move and Kinect sucess = PS3 wins (because GT5)

The limited edition Halo Reach console will sell by the bucket load. There has been more people on this site that have said they are buying a 360 now becasue of Reach than any other game including Halo 3 that M$ have released this gen. If this site is anything to guage to by, many are going to pick up a 360 for the first time, because of how EPIC Reach is turning out to be.