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famousringo on 23 July 2010
Seece said:
binary solo said:
famousringo said:

The YoY numbers are instructive. The Wii isn't especially weak right now, it's just that the 360 is remarkably strong and the PS3 ain't no slouch either. Since I suspect Nintendo cares more about absolute sales than relative sales (marketshare) I don't expect them to go out of their way to respond. What's more, they need to focus on the 3DS's big debut rather than fret about fighting the Wii's market saturation.

I really didn't expect the 360 redesign to draw this much attention. It just didn't seem as significant as the PS3's last redesign. I guess the 360 crowd gets really eager to buy the latest hardware, even if it doesn't do much more than the old.

360s redesign is much more significant than PS3's redesign. 360s eliminated any last vestiges of reliability concerns, added WiFi N, added the special Kinect port, slimmed things down of course, nice shiny black clour, bigger HDD. 360s is a big improvement over the original design. PS3 slim was just smaller with bigger HDD, the big thing for PS3 was the big price cut.

Yup, if the Slim PS3 launched without a price cut, exactly how well would it have done?

Yeah, the PS3's price cut and extra 'slimming' are pretty much what I was driving at.

I did forget that the new Xbox integrates WiFi, though. That's a good incentive for online-hungry Xbox gamers.



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*Sound Of Rain on 23 July 2010

The Wii isn't dead and it doesn't NEED a PriceCut. Would it help? Yes but it doesn't NEED 1? No.

Iwata said it himself GAMES are what sell consoles and Nintendo has MANY games coming out for the year still. In America they still have 7 planned games for the rest of 2010 that are Nintendo published. Also I think that the Vitality Sensor will come out in 2010 and not 2011. Miyamoto and Iwata and Reggie and Cammie all said it was ready so unless they hold it until they NEED it V.S will be out by December 31st 2010.



Mummelmann on 23 July 2010
lolzmahballz said:

Why is everyone (or maybe it's just the nintendo fans) downplaying/rejecting the idea of a wii price cut does it somehow benefit you to have the wii remain at $200 dollars.... I personally do not own a wii however as a former nintendo console owner I have interest in the wii  (I love me some Donkey Kong >.<) however I also know for a fact I will never buy one at its current price point and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. If it was droped to $150 there is a very high chance of me picking one up this fall when donkey kong is released.

As far as the new 360's sales go give it time...it just came out of course it's gonna be selling good did any one honestly expect it not to? wait a month and see where it settles at, that'll tell you how good of a boost it gave to sales.


Same thing happened last year. Everyone in here said Nintendo would not cut the price, it was not needed and would not happen. Nintendo themselves said thay they would not cut the price and that it was doing great regardless. Malstrom wrote about how Nintendo would be showing weakness if they lowered their price, talked about the high demand and how silly the people who imagined that the Wii would have its price cut, were.

What happened? They cut the price in the fall/winter. Utter silence. It could happen again, let's not get ahead of ourselves and say it can't happen. Cutting the price to 150$ right before the holidays might cause another record December (I say might because the price cut alone actually didn't make that much of a difference last year until NSMBWii released) and would be a brilliant move on Nintendo's part. Even they need to pull some tricks out of their bag to maintain momentum.



Beuli2 on 23 July 2010
Pipedream24 said:

The Wii had a great run.  Over 70 million consoles in a little over 3 years...How long did people really think it would keep selling at that rate?  There were only so many people who were going to buy a Wii.  The fact it is still selling this well is quite amazing. 

With that in mind I never thought I would see the day the 360 would outsell the Wii and PS3 combined. 


You talk like it is dead. Or is just my silly imagination.



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postofficebuddy on 24 July 2010
Mummelmann said:
lolzmahballz said:

Why is everyone (or maybe it's just the nintendo fans) downplaying/rejecting the idea of a wii price cut does it somehow benefit you to have the wii remain at $200 dollars.... I personally do not own a wii however as a former nintendo console owner I have interest in the wii  (I love me some Donkey Kong >.<) however I also know for a fact I will never buy one at its current price point and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. If it was droped to $150 there is a very high chance of me picking one up this fall when donkey kong is released.

As far as the new 360's sales go give it time...it just came out of course it's gonna be selling good did any one honestly expect it not to? wait a month and see where it settles at, that'll tell you how good of a boost it gave to sales.


Same thing happened last year. Everyone in here said Nintendo would not cut the price, it was not needed and would not happen. Nintendo themselves said thay they would not cut the price and that it was doing great regardless. Malstrom wrote about how Nintendo would be showing weakness if they lowered their price, talked about the high demand and how silly the people who imagined that the Wii would have its price cut, were.

What happened? They cut the price in the fall/winter. Utter silence. It could happen again, let's not get ahead of ourselves and say it can't happen. Cutting the price to 150$ right before the holidays might cause another record December (I say might because the price cut alone actually didn't make that much of a difference last year until NSMBWii released) and would be a brilliant move on Nintendo's part. Even they need to pull some tricks out of their bag to maintain momentum.


Normally I would agree with you but you're forgetting one thing. Even with how unrealistic it was at the time Ninty were still shooting for 26 million that year. They didn't lower their projection to 20 million until a month later. They're already aiming low this year with 18 million. Unless that's some sort of marketing ploy and they intend to smash through it I don't see them cutting the price, especially with the recent bundling of WSR. They probably think that the current line-up is good enough to get them within eye-sight of last year's Christmas because they're going to lose a lot in the lead-up to it. And Q1 will likely be lower as well since the post-holiday momentum won't be quite as strong as this year, especially with GT5 likely sucking all the air out of EMEAA.



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XxXProphecyXxX on 24 July 2010
Nightwish224 said:

I love how it's so quiet in here once the 360 dominates. :)


Hmmm reminds me of PS3 slim launch....

Every one is so humble, weren't you one of them? or did you just leave the site around that time and came back after the PS3 domination cooled off?



Makaha on 24 July 2010

 

wait....

 

the 360 is up 98% in hardware,

 

but the PS3 still beat the 360 in software??

 

so far this year, the PS3 has done pretty good software wise, with GT5 to give the PS3 a good software boost towards the end of this year....

 

 

on another note....

 

if Nintendo decides to cut the price of the Wii before the holidays, it  will  kill  Kinect and Move.  If Nintendo drops the price of the Wii to say $150, at Christmas time parents will see a $150 Wii versus a $300 Kinect bundle, and guess what will happen??

Kinect will be dead in that case, and so will Move.

 

And Nintendo can afford that price cut....so watch what Nintendo does....



 

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Rhonin the wizard on 24 July 2010

Software sales YOY:

  2010 2009 Difference
Wii 1,890,248 1,613,613 276,635
Xbox360 1,443,720 1,307,512 136,208
PS3 1,458,555 1,067,960 390,595
DS 1,397,060 2,011,282 -614,222
PSP 514,841 443,461 71,380
PS2 188,178 433,412 -245,234

2010 vs. 2009 software sales spreadsheet



Buzzi on 24 July 2010
Mummelmann said:
lolzmahballz said:

Why is everyone (or maybe it's just the nintendo fans) downplaying/rejecting the idea of a wii price cut does it somehow benefit you to have the wii remain at $200 dollars.... I personally do not own a wii however as a former nintendo console owner I have interest in the wii  (I love me some Donkey Kong >.<) however I also know for a fact I will never buy one at its current price point and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. If it was droped to $150 there is a very high chance of me picking one up this fall when donkey kong is released.

As far as the new 360's sales go give it time...it just came out of course it's gonna be selling good did any one honestly expect it not to? wait a month and see where it settles at, that'll tell you how good of a boost it gave to sales.


Same thing happened last year. Everyone in here said Nintendo would not cut the price, it was not needed and would not happen. Nintendo themselves said thay they would not cut the price and that it was doing great regardless. Malstrom wrote about how Nintendo would be showing weakness if they lowered their price, talked about the high demand and how silly the people who imagined that the Wii would have its price cut, were.

What happened? They cut the price in the fall/winter. Utter silence. It could happen again, let's not get ahead of ourselves and say it can't happen. Cutting the price to 150$ right before the holidays might cause another record December (I say might because the price cut alone actually didn't make that much of a difference last year until NSMBWii released) and would be a brilliant move on Nintendo's part. Even they need to pull some tricks out of their bag to maintain momentum.

I and some others are not saying price cut can't help. ust that it will last very little, if you cut the price in December (as you say) you can have a record December and a very good January. But then? They can't cut the price every year to push Wii's life to 2013, they need to do something bigger. Like an upgrade of the current console, not a new console. People loves upgrades, even if they every time bash new versions of current consoles because they have to spend more money...but they spend it! Make it and bundle with new software, that alone would push a lot the sales. Then why don't make it in different colours? There you have the ultimate solution for Wii...

Will Nintendo do that? Probably not unfortunately...I believe they'll cut the price, if not the Wii is gonna fall under 140k for sure, maybe even 130 after Move and Kinect launch.



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Reasonable on 24 July 2010
WilliamWatts said:
Reasonable said:


Well, I don't think that all the spike is re-purchases but I do think that the 360s is seeing a greater ratio of re-buys at the moment vs say the PS3 Slim when it launched.

It's hard to be sure, though.  I know SW hasn't spiked, which you'd expect at least a bit if hundreds of thousands of new owners suddenly appeared, but then they could have spent their money getting the console and have little left over for games (although you'd at least expect the 360 gold standard titles to see a modest bump I suppose).  Or the new owners could be rushing to buy the core titles second hand and therefore not registering on the SW charts.

I suppose all we can say is that HW wise it's been great for 360 but so far but the success hasn't translated directly at this point to the game developers, too.

I think a fair few are new owners, however, as the new spec/look is good and I've always felt the specter of RROD has held back some who I would imagine have finally "jumped in".


How do we know? From what I remember much of the software sales listed are simply based off regression and various other statistical tools from Brett. If he hasn't updated his statistics program then the software sales will carry on as far as we are concerned as if nothing has happened. You're basing this on software totals which may or may not be accurate. The safest thing to do is to say nothing and think nothing of it until you're certain that the software sales presented on a weekly basis are representative. I don't think you could say with even a reasonable margin of error that the software sales truly relfect what the change in the market is, especially when that change would be riding in the typical 15% or so margin of error.

We don't know for sure, which was my point, but unless they're generating fake numbers Brett's tools should be taking most recent data (which they apparently get) and it's pretty easy (and standard) to have the algorithms skew to any major shifts immediately apparent in the data.  Hence, if SW was seeing a spike it would be in their sample data and it should be extrapolated out using their algorithm.

After all, how the heck are they picking up the HW spike?  By your logic they wouldn't have as they'd follow the previous trend.  No, if they can pick up the HW spike they can pick up a SW spike.

Besides, there's plenty of evidence there is a fair bit of re-buying.  On all major UK online sites I checked plus some stores the 360 HDD transfer kits were also spiking massively with the 360s - that has to be a re-buy, a new customer isn't going to buy a transfer kit with their brand new and only 360.  Only existing 360 owners will want a transfer kit.

Also, logically you can see from the specs that the 360s will attract re-buys.



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