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Steve 3.2 on 05 April 2007
dallas said:

Well, this is basically the biggest single event to a precursor that we could have..I don't know if you guys have been following the prices of high-def DVD players, but the HD-DVD toshiba model has dropped from $1000, to $399. The cheapest blu-ray player out there is $799, currently.

http://hdtvorg.co.uk/news/articles/2007040402.htm

If sony does not drop prices soon, they will sponsor a price drop for samsung's blu-ray player, b/c this high-def dvd business is going to be easy money once a winner finally appears

 
Actually, the $500 PS3 is the cheapest Blu-ray player out there.  And it includes a HDD, the ability to surf the Internet, and plays games.  The only thing it has going against it is the lack of an included remote control (simple one for playing movies) and those add-on ones aren't cheap.

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dallas on 05 April 2007
Steve 3.2 said:
dallas said:

Well, this is basically the biggest single event to a precursor that we could have..I don't know if you guys have been following the prices of high-def DVD players, but the HD-DVD toshiba model has dropped from $1000, to $399. The cheapest blu-ray player out there is $799, currently.

http://hdtvorg.co.uk/news/articles/2007040402.htm

If sony does not drop prices soon, they will sponsor a price drop for samsung's blu-ray player, b/c this high-def dvd business is going to be easy money once a winner finally appears

 
Actually, the $500 PS3 is the cheapest Blu-ray player out there.  And it includes a HDD, the ability to surf the Internet, and plays games.  The only thing it has going against it is the lack of an included remote control (simple one for playing movies) and those add-on ones aren't cheap.

I haven't been able to find any of the $500 models for a while now, but perhaps that is only my area. 



cleveland124 on 05 April 2007

Actually the Samsung blu ray player is the cheapest on the market.  http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-P1000-Blu-Ray-Disc-Player/dp/B000F99FDE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-1752533-3219157?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1175823075&sr=8-2

 

Already down to $469.  If it keeps this pace (Blu-ray down, PS3 same) the PS3 will lose one of its main reasons for purchase.



FishyJoe on 05 April 2007

The reviews on that Samsung do not seem very favorable.



cleveland124 on 05 April 2007

Have you seen a review on blu-ray that is favorable?  The PS3 is an entry blu-ray player.  Nothing more and it won't be anything more.  But honestly we are splitting hairs here.  I just wanted to note that you can get a cheaper blu-ray option, that is no longer the PS3.  Let's say the PS3 gets the much famed price drop to $500 (since the 20 gig model doesn't exist).  Blu-ray will be down to at least $300 then.  Making the PS3 a significant investment for blu-ray. 



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jman8 on 05 April 2007
HappySqurriel said:

220,500 220,500

533,250 753,750

273,000 1,026,750

133,750 1,160,500

The PS3 came out of the gate pretty strong, and it is likely that a large portion of the population who bought a PS3 decided to buy a few Blu-Ray movies to try out. Now, most of the people who bought a PS3 are primarily gamers and are unlikley to continue to buy a large quantity of movies for any period of time. Now, if the PS3 was selling better new owners would be buying a ton of movies to take advantage of their "Brand New Blu-Ray player" and the drop in sales of Blu-Ray movies wouldn't be that noticeable.

Meanwhile HD-DVD is selling heavily to movie collectors and is seeing a constant steady growth.


except if that theory were true, the Amazon sales rank for Blu-ray would be falling rather than staying at consistent 250 as Dallas said above your post. Blu-ray sales are better, period. Maybe they'll fall in 6 months, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.



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HappySqurriel on 05 April 2007
jman8 said:
HappySqurriel said:

 


except if that theory were true, the Amazon sales rank for Blu-ray would be falling rather than staying at consistent 250 as Dallas said above your post. Blu-ray sales are better, period. Maybe they'll fall in 6 months, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

Well maybe I overstated and the number of new people buying Blu-Ray movies balances out the number of people who stopped buying Blu-Ray movies ...

Now, I could be wrong but I expect that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will (over the next couple of months) come to a point of (very rough) equality and that, in order to have the winning format, one of the consortiums will make a deal with the devil (Apex Digital).

 



jman8 on 05 April 2007

What's Apex Digital, and what would such a deal entail?



My Top 5:

Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger

My 2 nex-gen systems: PS3 and Wii

Prediction Aug '08: We see the PSP2 released fall '09. Graphically, it's basically the same as the current system. UMD drive ditched and replaced by 4-8gb on board flash memory. Other upgrades: 2nd analog nub, touchscreen, blutooth, motion sensor. Design: Flip-style or slider. Size: Think Iphone. Cost: $199. Will be profitable on day 1.

HappySqurriel on 05 April 2007
jman8 said:
What's Apex Digital, and what would such a deal entail?

Apex digital released a $99 DVD player in 2001 and quickly became the #1 stand alone DVD manufacturer in the world. I could be wrong but I believe that most of the $15 DVD players on the market today are rebranded Apex Digital products.The reason it would be such a big deal is that Apex Digital (and similar producers) can make electronics at amazingly low costs and destroy the profitability in these products.

The fact is that one of the main reasons Toshiba and Sony want such control over their formats is to prevent companies like Apex Digital from being able to produce players and undercut their prices; this means that (if successful) they would be able to maintain a $100 profit for years.



YfzinJay on 05 April 2007

Isn't blu-ray still leading world-wide by a vast margin? I thought it was a much popular format in Europe, Austrailia, and Japan. I don't think amazon has sales statistics for Austrailia or Japan.