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nightsurge said:
BHR-3 said:
Seece said:

Why are people saying the 360 bump didn't last long, it was outselling PS3 all the way up to September last year ...


in that time 360 only out sold ps3 WW by only 300k and the ps3 was $400 compared to cheapest 360 at $200 in comparison to what the PS3 just did it has outsold 360 by over a mill and only need from jan to june to do it i  think the PS3 did the same to 360 in the first 8 months in 08 too about mill of outselling when priced at $400 compared to 360s $280 and $349 Pros

You're kidding me, right?  The 360 during that time following the price cut extended the lead from ~5.5 million to ~8 million.  That seems to be a bit more than 300k to me...

Yeah he's just talking rubbish, we should have guessed this with this comment

"here we go again with words like if and butts thats like me saying if ps3 was in stock from jan-may this year it would of passed 360 WW by now"

His predictions only, and will ever only be PS3 doing well. He can't look at the market with logic and a level head.



 

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nightsurge said:
BHR-3 said:


we also did last year and who outsold who then?

There was an Arcade version of the 360S Slim last year?  I sure didn't notice any.

2008 - Arcade drops to $199.
2009 - Arcade is still $199.
2010 - Arcade is still $199, despite 2 years difference and a slim reducing costs.

The only reason MS won't drop the price of the arcade this holiday, is if they bundle Kinect with every single one, even then, a $50 price drop will be a factor of the finalised Kinect Arcade bundle price.

I swear some people just ignore all logic. Sony, whose gaming divison hasn't seen profits in how many years? Can drop the price of the PS3 $100 in 2009, and then a supposed further $50/$100 in 2011?

(Certain people's views)

PS3 from $399 to $199 in 24 months.

Yet 360 can't do this
360 from $199 to $149 in 24 months?? ............. despite MS's entertainment division profiting 3 years on the trot, heck they're going to post $1 billion profits for this fiscal year, something the Playstation division has never managed in it's lifespan.





 

nice 360 sales, well deserved. congrats



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Seece said:
nightsurge said:
BHR-3 said:
Seece said:

Why are people saying the 360 bump didn't last long, it was outselling PS3 all the way up to September last year ...


in that time 360 only out sold ps3 WW by only 300k and the ps3 was $400 compared to cheapest 360 at $200 in comparison to what the PS3 just did it has outsold 360 by over a mill and only need from jan to june to do it i  think the PS3 did the same to 360 in the first 8 months in 08 too about mill of outselling when priced at $400 compared to 360s $280 and $349 Pros

You're kidding me, right?  The 360 during that time following the price cut extended the lead from ~5.5 million to ~8 million.  That seems to be a bit more than 300k to me...

Yeah he's just talking rubbish, we should have guessed this with this comment

"here we go again with words like if and butts thats like me saying if ps3 was in stock from jan-may this year it would of passed 360 WW by now"

His predictions only, and will ever only be PS3 doing well. He can't look at the market with logic and a level head.

theres no rubbish there go look it up jan till slim release in 09 its about 300k then look up jan-sep 08 and then jan till 360 slim launch 2010 and then tell me who has long term price cut effect

i never said anywhere in the thread 360 wont get a price cut i only say PS3 will take the holidays somebody said 360S arcade will come out at 199$ i think even MS confirmed it they even said it will take the current arcades 199$ price

im responding to the facts only 360S getin a price cut this year is not a fact as is ps3 gettin a price cut its possible ps3 can go to 249$

and even if 360S arcade goes to 149$ and ps3 stays at 299 ps3 has shown that it can outsell 360 at a  price difference of 130$ WW so an extra 20$ wont be a big deal considering PS3's most anticipated game gt5  is coming out this holiday

"His predictions only, and will ever only be PS3 doing well He can't look at the market with logic and a level head"

look whos talking wasnt it you who just posted only these words "by 2k" last year when ps3 hit a mill WW?  couldnt you look at the market with logic and accept industry growth?

your such a bipolar poster on vgc why dont you just pick one identity

and no there not i also praised alan wake saying it would sell 2m b4 the years up a few months before it released



                                                             

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Jordahn said:
DarkisWR said:
Jordahn said:
LordMatrix said:
Reach said:
BenVTrigger said:

i hear on N4G that Reach special edition is in the works...dont know if its true but probably is...

GameStop dude , please tell me that u are not serious when u are saying that kinect is having massive pre orders :/ this is bad...

no I'm not kidding at all.  Honestly though we are seeing very few core gamers pre-ordering Kinect so far, its leaning almost entirely to the casual or female markets.  In fact I would say 90% of its sales are going to that market.  Lots of parents picking them up for youger kids.  Also our number 1 pre-ordered Kinect game is Kinectimls.  Not sure how the rest of the country is fairing, my numbers are based off of one state so things could be different in other markets mind you. 

Videogames are lost then... Kinectimals... what a shame... Well im seeing that kinect will be a sucess and Microsoft will probably go Next Gen with kinect in mind wich isnt very good...

Nothing is lost! The majority of the interest is with children and female gamers right now and having games that cater to everyone is not a bad thing. Sometimes we core gamers need to step back and realize we aren`t the only ones that play games nor is it just 18-32 year old adult males either.


I step back to see that the hardcore is loosing ground to the casuals.  Face it, it's a growing trend.


How so?

Have you not seen how many AAA hardcore games have come out so far this year and how many are coming out during the rest?

So some casual blood and violence free games come out and its the end of the world...0.o


First of all "AAA" is relative, and even if a game is "AAA" doesn't mean it appeals to every hardcore gamer.  Now, do I claim Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn a "AAA" game.  No, but I prefer it over, let's say, MGS4 which is arguably a "AAA" game.  And as a hardcore gamer, I will not be swayed to a game just because it's "AAA."  That's casual talk, casual thinking.  I look deep into a game to decided whether I want to play it or not.  Most casuals do not do this.  They usually go with what's most familiar to them in real life.  As this userbase grows, more games and resources will be allocated to them, overshadowing titles such as Siren, Bue Dragon, and Folkore.  We don't often see unique titles like this because they are too risky in our current economical and western cultural climate.  So less risks are being taken with developing these games.  Compare the successes of Bioshock to Halo.  And IMO, Bioshock rocks while Halo sucks.  What do the masses mainly go for?  Halo, obviously because it's far more familiar.  And I prefer Alan Wake over Halo anyday regardless of the rankings.  Guess which franchise Microsoft will push more?  Go figure.  Anyone who has been keeping up cannot deny that the masses are catered to more and more while that unique expereince is getting harder and harder to find.  Yes, gaming is expanding as Nightsurge pointed out.  But as I said, there is a negative side to it that effects the hardcore.


...sigh.

 

I really dislike it when one's opinion/likes/dislikes about games is spouted like fact.

I'll start with your AAA bit...

1) just becuase it doesn't appeal to every ''hardcore'' gamer does not make it less/not hardcore.

2) Most times ''AAA" is equated to quality. Anything else is casual talk and casual thinking.

"Compare the successes of Bioshock to Halo.  And IMO, Bioshock rocks while Halo sucks.  What do the masses mainly go for?  Halo"

1) Thats comapring apples to oranges...both are on such differnt ends of the fps spectrum that you cant comapre em.

2) Last time I checked casuals really arnt running out to pick up highly competive shooters. If you can say that about Halo then you can say that about MW1/2,WaW,Gears,KZ2,Mag.

3) Theres alot of ''Hardcore" buying games like Halo/MW etc.. 

4) So far by your reasoning any game that sales like Halo is the masses aka the casual.

If the majority of the ''Hardcore'' are worried about not being supported...then guess what...go buy core games.

 

"We don't often see unique titles like this because they are too risky in our current economical and western cultural climate.  So less risks are being taken with developing these games."

Disagree indeed...

1) Dev's and pub's want safe bets...not niche games with niche profits...Your forgeting...gaming indurstury is about one thing and one thing only...MONEY.

2) Cause of #1 we see less risky endeavors...even more so if they are under funded and not on a high lvl of quality.

3) Western cult climate as oppessed to what Japans? Europe's? Yeah...w/e



BHR-3 said:
Seece said:
nightsurge said:
BHR-3 said:
Seece said:

Why are people saying the 360 bump didn't last long, it was outselling PS3 all the way up to September last year ...


in that time 360 only out sold ps3 WW by only 300k and the ps3 was $400 compared to cheapest 360 at $200 in comparison to what the PS3 just did it has outsold 360 by over a mill and only need from jan to june to do it i  think the PS3 did the same to 360 in the first 8 months in 08 too about mill of outselling when priced at $400 compared to 360s $280 and $349 Pros

You're kidding me, right?  The 360 during that time following the price cut extended the lead from ~5.5 million to ~8 million.  That seems to be a bit more than 300k to me...

Yeah he's just talking rubbish, we should have guessed this with this comment

"here we go again with words like if and butts thats like me saying if ps3 was in stock from jan-may this year it would of passed 360 WW by now"

His predictions only, and will ever only be PS3 doing well. He can't look at the market with logic and a level head.

theres no rubbish there go look it up jan till slim release in 09 its about 300k then look up jan-sep 08 and then jan till 360 slim launch 2010 and then tell me who has long term price cut effect

i never said anywhere in the thread 360 wont get a price cut i only say PS3 will take the holidays somebody said 360S arcade will come out at 199$ i think even MS confirmed it they even said it will take the current arcades 199$ price

im responding to the facts only 360S getin a price cut this year is not a fact as is ps3 gettin a price cut its possible ps3 can go to 249$

and even if 360S arcade goes to 149$ and ps3 stays at 299 ps3 has shown that it can outsell 360 at a  price difference of 130$ WW so an extra 20$ wont be a big deal considering PS3's most anticipated game gt5  is coming out this holiday

"His predictions only, and will ever only be PS3 doing well He can't look at the market with logic and a level head"

look whos talking wasnt it you who just posted only these words "by 2k" last year when ps3 hit a mill WW?  couldnt you look at the market with logic and accept industry growth?

your such a bipolar poster on vgc why dont you just pick one identity

and no there not i also praised alan wake saying it would sell 2m b4 the years up a few months before it released

Most people got that comment by me, it was in reference to it only being 2k, meaning adjustments were likely and it'd drop below, and guess what, they were, and people celebrated too early for nothing. Case closed.

The PS3 had a price drop and a redesign last xmas, that's why it sold so well. The Arcade was $199 for over a year ... of course it was never going to beat a price drop on the PS3.

If you think it's as black and white as the cheapest console should always be winning then .... there is no point debating with you.



 

Rhonin the wizard said:
Boutros said:
Rhonin the wizard said:
PS3beats360 said:
kowenicki said:

360 v PS3 gap is back above 5m....

 

 

The PS3 will over take the 360 in total sales within a year. You can quote me on that one. 

The gap is around 5 million units, a year has about 52 weeks, a simple calculations tells us that on average the PS3 would have to sell over 96,000 units more than the Xbox360 to pass it. The chances are slim.


I think he means the sales for 2010.

As in the PS3 will outsell the Xbox360 in LT numbers by the end of 2010? That's nigh impossible.

actually, it all depends on  their performance in europe in japan. especially GT5 other boost and sony preparing a revision :D
 @seece, xbox is having a redesign and a clearance sales on a much lower price the ps3 slim is. arcade going for half.



And the selective reasonings and desperate predictions continue.  The redesign is proving to be exactly as disruptive as expected, in stores and most definitely on this board.  Week after July 16th is going to be one for the ages.



Seece said:

2008 - Arcade drops to $199.
2009 - Arcade is still $199.
2010 - Arcade is still $199, despite 2 years difference and a slim reducing costs.

The only reason MS won't drop the price of the arcade this holiday, is if they bundle Kinect with every single one, even then, a $50 price drop will be a factor of the finalised Kinect Arcade bundle price.

I swear some people just ignore all logic. Sony, whose gaming divison hasn't seen profits in how many years? Can drop the price of the PS3 $100 in 2009, and then a supposed further $50/$100 in 2011?

(Certain people's views)

PS3 from $399 to $199 in 24 months.

Yet 360 can't do this
360 from $199 to $149 in 24 months?? ............. despite MS's entertainment division profiting 3 years on the trot, heck they're going to post $1 billion profits for this fiscal year, something the Playstation division has never managed in it's lifespan.

Well said sir!

The Arcade has only come down what? 33% in 4.5 years? The thing which was probably holding the 360 back from the price cuts was legacy RROD costs. I think the $1B writedown only applied to the original consoles sold, I suspect that every 360 had to have $20-30 set aside for its eventual repair beyond the normal 1 year warranty. This makes me think that the revision is more of a cost saving than you'd otherwise expect given the fact that the 360 hasn't followed a normal cost/price cut curve.

So now the Xbox 360 can be made significantly cheaper because it doesn't have that 3 year RROD warranty hanging over it and given the fact that the actual production costs are going to be lower. Also it can get back on that normal cost reduction curve that it skipped off with the RROD disaster.