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Resident_Hazard on 02 July 2010
Beuli2 said:
Resident_Hazard said:

Well, for once Pachter isn't making asinine predictions, he seems to be stating negative sales data for the Wii over the last year.

Which, of course, is the way the last few Nintendo consoles have gone.  System launches successfully, system gets decent 3rd party support and attention, Nintendo fans refuse to buy games or support 3rd party efforts, 3rd party companies abandon sinking ship.

The casual audience that bought the Wii as a barely-used fad doesn't help things.  For as high as the sales are for the Wii, individual game sales should be much higher to match.


Oh boy, not one of those guys again... ¬¬

So it doesn't bother you that the Wii largely gets ignored where "serious" gamers are concerned because Wii owners ignore serious games?

Or that the Wii appears to be moving in a direction close to the N64's latter years--where the quality releases were so few and far between, it was like the system didn't even exist anymore? 

Pachter clearly dislikes the Wii, but when you compare the Wii to another successful console, like the Playstation, Playstation 2, or SNES--it's clear that the Wii is poorly supported by third party companies, and by owners.  Except, of course, for games released by Nintendo and a lot of that casual crap.

I'm pretty sure that if you own a Wii and an Xbox360 or PS3 (or all three), that these days we're playing the HD console way more.  I know I am.  The Xbox360 has more games, higher quality games, and a much higher number of highly rated titles.  The Wii still has only 10 games averaging a score of 90% or better compared to 29 on the Xbox360 and 26 on the GameCube (via Metacritic). 

The Wii certainly isn't the high-speed sinking ship Pachter makes it out to be, but just like the N64, once again, it's largely supported by just Nintendo.  When 3rd party companies tried to make games for the Wii, casual folks and Nintendo fans ignored them, thanks to ignorance of gaming and what I can only surmise as elitism, respectively.

It would be illogical thinking to just blindly assume Nintendo is always doing great while ignoring signs of struggle.  Healthy cynicism never hurt anything.  Gross optimism, however... Sure, they had a great E3, but that was entirely due to the 3DS and the strong 3rd party support the 3DS has so far.  Which I'm sure will be squandered in favor of a game re-released and lightly upgraded from 13 years ago.

I think the SNES was the last time Nintendo had a console that didn't just fizzle and die lamely the last two years of it's lifecycle.  The N64 was on life support as it died of starvation the last two years on the market, the GameCube was the same way, and the Wii is approaching that as well.  Meanwhile, the Playstation, PS2, and Xbox managed a plethora of healthy releases and sales beyond their generally assumed "end date."

But whatever, I guess.  Saying anything bad about Nintendo around insanely worshipping Nintendo fans is akin to drawing pictures of Mohammad and mailing them to Mecca.  Dissent and differing views shall not be tolerated.  Because Nintendo never does anything wrong *coughvirtualboy64ddgamecubeonlinewiionlinewiiflashmemorygbacardreader thirdportunderthegamecubethatwasneverusedevilbotcheddealwithsonyforadiscdrive whoringoutbelovedfranchisestophillipscdipowerglovetrackmatwiispeaketcetcetccough*.



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irstupid on 02 July 2010
Resident_Hazard said:
Beuli2 said:
Resident_Hazard said:

Well, for once Pachter isn't making asinine predictions, he seems to be stating negative sales data for the Wii over the last year.

Which, of course, is the way the last few Nintendo consoles have gone.  System launches successfully, system gets decent 3rd party support and attention, Nintendo fans refuse to buy games or support 3rd party efforts, 3rd party companies abandon sinking ship.

The casual audience that bought the Wii as a barely-used fad doesn't help things.  For as high as the sales are for the Wii, individual game sales should be much higher to match.


Oh boy, not one of those guys again... ¬¬

So it doesn't bother you that the Wii largely gets ignored where "serious" gamers are concerned because Wii owners ignore serious games?

Or that the Wii appears to be moving in a direction close to the N64's latter years--where the quality releases were so few and far between, it was like the system didn't even exist anymore? 

Pachter clearly dislikes the Wii, but when you compare the Wii to another successful console, like the Playstation, Playstation 2, or SNES--it's clear that the Wii is poorly supported by third party companies, and by owners.  Except, of course, for games released by Nintendo and a lot of that casual crap.

I'm pretty sure that if you own a Wii and an Xbox360 or PS3 (or all three), that these days we're playing the HD console way more.  I know I am.  The Xbox360 has more games, higher quality games, and a much higher number of highly rated titles.  The Wii still has only 10 games averaging a score of 90% or better compared to 29 on the Xbox360 and 26 on the GameCube (via Metacritic). 

The Wii certainly isn't the high-speed sinking ship Pachter makes it out to be, but just like the N64, once again, it's largely supported by just Nintendo.  When 3rd party companies tried to make games for the Wii, casual folks and Nintendo fans ignored them, thanks to ignorance of gaming and what I can only surmise as elitism, respectively.

It would be illogical thinking to just blindly assume Nintendo is always doing great while ignoring signs of struggle.  Healthy cynicism never hurt anything.  Gross optimism, however... Sure, they had a great E3, but that was entirely due to the 3DS and the strong 3rd party support the 3DS has so far.  Which I'm sure will be squandered in favor of a game re-released and lightly upgraded from 13 years ago.

I think the SNES was the last time Nintendo had a console that didn't just fizzle and die lamely the last two years of it's lifecycle.  The N64 was on life support as it died of starvation the last two years on the market, the GameCube was the same way, and the Wii is approaching that as well.  Meanwhile, the Playstation, PS2, and Xbox managed a plethora of healthy releases and sales beyond their generally assumed "end date."

But whatever, I guess.  Saying anything bad about Nintendo around insanely worshipping Nintendo fans is akin to drawing pictures of Mohammad and mailing them to Mecca.  Dissent and differing views shall not be tolerated.  Because Nintendo never does anything wrong *coughvirtualboy64ddgamecubeonlinewiionlinewiiflashmemorygbacardreader thirdportunderthegamecubethatwasneverusedevilbotcheddealwithsonyforadiscdriveetcetcetccough*.


just going to quote this so that you can't delete it or modify it later and it is permanantly here for all to see

btw really love your elitism comment, gotta love when someone says we are having an elitism attitude when he is the one generalizing 70 million poeple

edit: oh and last I checked there isn't a topic about Nintendo claiming htey legitimized gaming into entertainment



Shonen on 02 July 2010

I all ready sad and i will say it again.

Guys lets just make a agreement here , to do it all u must do is raise your hand , ans say it loud.

 

"I PROMISE TO NEVER MORE AS LONG I AM A GAME TO DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT PATCHER SAYS , AND TO ANYTHING I READY THAT IS A EDITORIAL FROM IGN.COM"

I made the promise , will u join me ?



GO PATS! 2012 THE YEAR OF NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS'S 4TH SUPER BOWL!

A patriot to the end. GO PATS!

Now playing> THE LAST STORY (Wii) Best RPG I EVER PLAYED. *-*

Nintendo could u please just take my money and give me back my 3DS?!

makingmusic476 on 02 July 2010

Isn't he basically saying that sales are down because publishers aren't producing enough software for the platform?

That's what I take this statement to mean:

"but fear that other publishers have prematurely abandoned the very large Wii audience,"

He's not saying abandon ship.  He's saying publishers have already begun leaving the platform, which he believes is premature.

What is wrong with that?



makingmusic476 on 02 July 2010
Buzzi said:

I would agree with him if it didn't matter what game you buy. If the only remarkable release Wii had this quarter was Super Mario Galaxy 2 (and Monster Hunter 3) how did he expect Wii software to do extremely well? While Xbox 360 and PS3 had Red Dead Redemption for example...they're doing better than we but he chose the wrong month to make this statement, the percentage are just wrong, like saying the Xbox is selling 200k per week when it has just now and for few weeks!

I don't see how a month including Super Mario Galaxy 2 would put the Wii's software sales in a negative light compared to other months.

Granted, it's no NSMB or Wii Fit, but it's still one of the Wii's best selling franchises.



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Arius Dion on 02 July 2010

irstupid already ended this thread. But all I will add is that, for something to be abandoned, it has to first be supported lol.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

SnesTea on 02 July 2010
Buzzi said:
irstupid said:

i love attach rates and percentages arguments used.  do they think we are morons?

lets use simple numbers for showing of game sales (purely fictional, just proving  a point)

Nintendo: 100 games in 09' and 90 games in 10'

Sony & MS: 25 games in 09' and 50 games in 10'

oh look both Sony and Microsoft improved software sales by 100%, while Nintendo declined by 10%

Now onto attach rates

Nintendo has 75 million Wii's sold and has sold 750 million software units.  Attach rate = 10:1

Sony & MS has 50 million of their consoles each sold and has sold 750 million software each units.  Attach rate = 15:1

Percentages and attach rate mean shit.  Its actual numbers.  A developter would chose concrete numbers over % or AR all the time.  If you sell 5 million of your game, that is it, you sold 5 million.  Congrats.  Who gives a shit if that 5 million on PS3 means the attach rate is higher, due to less hardware out there versus Wii.  5 million is 5 million regardless of other factors.

Pretty much /thread

LOL


/thread



megaman79 on 02 July 2010

Since im intending to buy NTDOY shares in the next few weeks, i encourage any and all Pachter lunacy.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

Squilliam on 02 July 2010

Im not sure what to think. I think it'll all be a lot clearer once Q4 is done and dusted.



Tease.

Alic0004 on 02 July 2010
makingmusic476 said:

Isn't he basically saying that sales are down because publishers aren't producing enough software for the platform?

That's what I take this statement to mean:

"but fear that other publishers have prematurely abandoned the very large Wii audience,"

He's not saying abandon ship.  He's saying publishers have already begun leaving the platform, which he believes is premature.

What is wrong with that?


That's exactly what I was wondering.  I really need to just learn not to come into these threads any more