Metallicube said:
Resident_Hazard said:
Beuli2 said:
Resident_Hazard said:
Well, for once Pachter isn't making asinine predictions, he seems to be stating negative sales data for the Wii over the last year.
Which, of course, is the way the last few Nintendo consoles have gone. System launches successfully, system gets decent 3rd party support and attention, Nintendo fans refuse to buy games or support 3rd party efforts, 3rd party companies abandon sinking ship.
The casual audience that bought the Wii as a barely-used fad doesn't help things. For as high as the sales are for the Wii, individual game sales should be much higher to match.
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Oh boy, not one of those guys again... ¬¬
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So it doesn't bother you that the Wii largely gets ignored where "serious" gamers are concerned because Wii owners ignore serious games?
Or that the Wii appears to be moving in a direction close to the N64's latter years--where the quality releases were so few and far between, it was like the system didn't even exist anymore?
Pachter clearly dislikes the Wii, but when you compare the Wii to another successful console, like the Playstation, Playstation 2, or SNES--it's clear that the Wii is poorly supported by third party companies, and by owners. Except, of course, for games released by Nintendo and a lot of that casual crap.
I'm pretty sure that if you own a Wii and an Xbox360 or PS3 (or all three), that these days we're playing the HD console way more. I know I am. The Xbox360 has more games, higher quality games, and a much higher number of highly rated titles. The Wii still has only 10 games averaging a score of 90% or better compared to 29 on the Xbox360 and 26 on the GameCube (via Metacritic).
The Wii certainly isn't the high-speed sinking ship Pachter makes it out to be, but just like the N64, once again, it's largely supported by just Nintendo. When 3rd party companies tried to make games for the Wii, casual folks and Nintendo fans ignored them, thanks to ignorance of gaming and what I can only surmise as elitism, respectively.
It would be illogical thinking to just blindly assume Nintendo is always doing great while ignoring signs of struggle. Healthy cynicism never hurt anything. Gross optimism, however... Sure, they had a great E3, but that was entirely due to the 3DS and the strong 3rd party support the 3DS has so far. Which I'm sure will be squandered in favor of a game re-released and lightly upgraded from 13 years ago.
I think the SNES was the last time Nintendo had a console that didn't just fizzle and die lamely the last two years of it's lifecycle. The N64 was on life support as it died of starvation the last two years on the market, the GameCube was the same way, and the Wii is approaching that as well. Meanwhile, the Playstation, PS2, and Xbox managed a plethora of healthy releases and sales beyond their generally assumed "end date."
But whatever, I guess. Saying anything bad about Nintendo around insanely worshipping Nintendo fans is akin to drawing pictures of Mohammad and mailing them to Mecca. Dissent and differing views shall not be tolerated. Because Nintendo never does anything wrong *coughvirtualboy64ddgamecubeonlinewiionlinewiiflashmemorygbacardreader thirdportunderthegamecubethatwasneverusedevilbotcheddealwithsonyforadiscdrive whoringoutbelovedfranchisestophillipscdipowerglovetrackmatwiispeaketcetcetccough*.
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The problem with your argument is that you are equating mediocre 3rd party support to meaning a console is dying.. 3rd parties are not the end all be all of console success, I think Nintendo should have proven that by now with the huge success of the Wii. In fact, most 3rd party companies can't make games equal of quality to Nintendo's anyway (which is probably why many have given up).
NOTHING indicates the Wii is anywhere near dying. It is currently outpacing the PS2 in terms of both hardware and software. It has a chance to be one of the highest selling consoles of all time, if the the highest. And yet you are equating it with the N64 and Gamecube? LOL give me a break..
But if you really want to use the 3rd party argument (because that is all you have left against the Wii), let's look at some of the titles coming.. Conduit 2, Epic Mickey, The Grinder, Call of Duty: Black Ops, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Goldeneye, DQX, Arc Rise Fantasia, De Blob 2, Lost in Shadow, Samurai Warriors 3, LOTR: Aragorn's Quest, NBA Jam, Ravving Rabids Travel in Time, DJ Hero 2, Sonic 4, Sonic Colors, Just Dance 2, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, Flip's Twisted World, Tournament of Legends, Legend of the Guardians, Tales of Graces. Some other quality titles like Monster Hunter 3, Little King's Story, No More Heroes 2, Red Steel 2, COD: Reflex, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, and Fragile have also come out recently. This doesn't exactly look like the lineup of a dying console to me.
Of course it's much weaker than Nintendo's lineup. But this will always be the case for Nintendo consoles until Nintendo games start going down drastically in quality. I think the Wii is proof that 3rd parties no longer dictate the market leader, like in the PS1 and PS2 days.
This is why I hate Patcher. His delusional arguments breed more delusional arguments like this one.
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