MS in total have made a loss of $9.5billion and recovered only around $300m last year which brings it down to $9.2 billion loss

fisical year 2009-2010 has not taken into consideration

those neogaf figure are not correct.i have seen a  bigger list

so now we have $9.2billion substract profit from FY09-10

so $5.7b will not fetch them a profit on XBOX

also nobody would pay even $5.7BILLION to MS because of the following:

console business requires alot of  investment

the brand has to be relaunched every 5-6 years

also alot os XBOX hardcore fanbase is because of MS itself,so some fans will stop buying it

XBOX brand is not succesful even after spending so much as they are still fighting for 2nd place and nowhere near 1st

XBOX 720 would lose again if PS4,Wii2 drops at $299 OR something around that

No.

better answer than just 'NO'?

and what exactly that you disagree with?

Everything.

Everything.

Well, if you're going to go with that as the standard for what a doomed console is, then I guess the 360 is doomed, as well.  It still hasn't come close to making back the billions lost from the original X-Box or the billions lost from its own first years of being on the market.  So far, the X-Box brand has yet to be profitable.  Something that has led some of MS's investors to cry out for them to drop out of the console market and put more focus on maintaining its OS marketshare.  If Kinect proves not to be the success MS hoping for, you can expect to hear more investors crying out for the same thing.

At least on a positive for Sony, the Playstation brand, as a whole, has still remained profitable. 

Everyone wants the Elite. People might settle with the Arcade because of price, but the masses want the Elite. So when it hits $200 you can expect a huge sales boost. Especially if MS does the price cut before Sony.

no the masses don't care about elit,they care about the games whihc are playable on Arcade.

yes $200 will have a big boost but not as big as you think as people already have ARCADE's

Also, I think a $99 Arcade will be huge. I just noticed the Gamecube saw its best sales at $99. The Original Xbox saw its best sales when it went under $200. Almost 50% was sold at $149. I think the 360 will follow suit.

$99 arcade would be big but MS won't do it for now and if they do $149 first and then $99 then it won't have much boost.

Gamecube had its best sales at $99 but it wasn't selling at a higher price thats why.and even XBOX wasn't selling at the higher price and that the entire generation was low priced.

this generation has been high priced and even then people bought the console,it isn't that just because of the lower price people will buy 2-3 360'S

Do the math. The Move starter kit is $99. The navigation controller is $30. Some games seem to require 2 Move controllers. That'll be another $50 for that experience. And if you want to play multiplayer, you'll need more Move controllers.

you can use DS3 as NAV

I don't need to buy MOVE STARTER bundle as i already have an EYE.

Only one MOVE

and those some games requiring 2 MOVE controller will be rare so don't push it

And for the game,i am already buying LBP,SOCOM,SORCERY,KILLZONE so why should i buy it

Multiplayer is your problem as nobody in my home plays so i won't need more controllers.also like Wii people will buy more controllers

also KINECT can't take more than 2 people at a time

so thats just $40 for a MOVE controller as i will be buying in Europe where it is cheaper and it will be more discounted on sites like AMAZON

The Kinect on the other hand will most likely be under $150. My guess is more like $120. And you don't need any more accessories and multiplayer can be played on a single device. The Kinect seems like a bargain in comparison.

how is it a bargain??????????

also don't forget that MOVE will have alot more games and better ones for all genres

also MOVE price was  affected by MS disappointing conference.

MOVE is cheaper in EU,JAPAN and

MOVE can also get a price cut as it costs alot less that its price to make

Well I'm just saying the Wii can still have a negative impact on PS3 sales. Especially considering their motion devices are very much the same.

the impact will be no greater than current one MOVE can only benefit

Well did they really need to counteract immediately? The Xbox 360 had huge sales last year. They are still millions ahead of the PS3. Most importantly the 360 was likely sold at a profit. We know Sony was taking a hit for each PS3 sold.

they are still 5million ahead even after being cheaper

yes 360 had huge sales but not bigger than PS3

how is it important that 360 was making a profit when we are discussing sales,stop bullshiting

Now its 2010. The 360 Slim has been released with no price and its selling like hot cakes.

you are talking as if 360 has been selling like hotcakes whole of 2010 till now.............lol

its just been 2 weeks and we don't know if it will continue

and about 360 SLIM hotcakes,we don't know what is selling like hotcakes the discounted ARCADE and ELITES or the SLIM.

The Kinect is coming and its getting a lot of attention (unlike the Move).

almost all NATAL hype died down this E3 after KINECT name and MS horrible conference

Reach is coming and that'll generate ungodly amounts of money along with Xbox Live Gold subscriptions.

REACH releasing doesn't mean XBL money will be made

do you even know how a game makes money

I also expect a sales boost when the 360 Slim Arcade gets released.

we will see when that happens

Unless Sony gots another price cut up its sleeve or actually releases GT5, I don't know what else they can do to combat MS in the near future.

SONY will only do a price cut if SLIM,KINECT,360 price cut makes an impact

GT5 dropping November.you should follow gaming

I have to agree most of your argument does not any make sense, after all the 360 brand is stronger than ever. The gaming division makes a profit has done for some time. Relaunch would off in the olden days meant a new console but as I predicted this would not happen and now they relaunch the existing consoles whilst improving them.

so you think a new console generation won't happen and they will just keep improving this one

also 360 brand being strong makes no meaning when a company is buying XBOX for $9BILLION

This generation has broken so many of the rules I am always suprised when people even bring up the past as so little of the previous generations cycles have been repeated. After all the PS3 was supposed to overhaul the 360 3 years ago the Wii was supposed to be in second place.

yes that would have happened with PS3 $249

The new old thinking is that the PS3 will overhaul and take 2nd or even 1st place because they will support the console beyond Microsoft. This of course is all based on Microsoft and Nintendo rolling over and in the case of the 360 just killing off as they did the original Xbox. Guess what that aint gonna happen because by the time this generation ends the 360 will probably be close to 90 million sold.

Here endeth the rant. 

this generation will end in the next three years and noway 360 will be 90m by them and MS wouldn't support 360 beyong that as they are already having trouble with competing the current generation SONY and NINTENDO machines.

MS will have a new console by 2012 max,i say they launch 720 next year again to get a head start as they will need it