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theRepublic said:
Squilliam said:

Gamestop prices games at a long term discounted rate so it wouldn't effect the long term pricing of the used games significantly. Thats why they pay $25 for a $60 game.

Why wouldn't they drop that long term discounted rate?

I posted this in another thread about this issue (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=110650):

How is Gamestop going to move inventory if they try and take the $10 from the guy buying the game?  A used game is $55, and pass is $10.  So you end up paying $65 for a used game?  I don't think so.  Split 5 and 5 that still makes a complete used game $60, and no one is going to buy that either.  This policy will decrease the value of a used game.

In the real world, games that have this policy in place are not going to drop the full $10 though.  If multiplayer is only important to say, 50% of the people who buy that game, then the used value of that game is probably only going to be $5 less then what it normally would be.  So in the end, I think there are probably three losers here.  Those who buy games new and then trade them in, those who buy multiplayer games used or rent them, and the publishers in the long run will likely see decreased new sales due to the weakening of the used market.

If they drop the long term discount rate its in the order of a few $. People are already taking a massive hit trading in software so it wouldn't effect them that much.

Likely in the short term they will price the used game at $50 which is $5 cheaper than the original price and still $5 cheaper than the new price if they have an edge card or whatever its called.

Btw how do you know that the publishers would lose out? They've got the sales numbers and the DLC takeup rate for previous titles. You don't exactly have a high resolution picture of whats going on to judge whats happening.



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Squilliam said:

If they drop the long term discount rate its in the order of a few $. People are already taking a massive hit trading in software so it wouldn't effect them that much.

Likely in the short term they will price the used game at $50 which is $5 cheaper than the original price and still $5 cheaper than the new price if they have an edge card or whatever its called.

Btw how do you know that the publishers would lose out? They've got the sales numbers and the DLC takeup rate for previous titles. You don't exactly have a high resolution picture of whats going on to judge whats happening.

What makes you think it would just be a few dollars?

Did you read the links from Kasz?  The existence of a used market supports the new market, it does not harm it.



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I actually support EAs decision on this one... and I do wish that the used market would die out. I can only buy gakmes here new anyways, so why should other get it cheaper when they make more money then me?

 

But in all seriousness, this is just for online, and I rarely play games online



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twesterm said:

Sorry, I'm with EA, Sony, and anyone else that does this.  It doesn't hurt the consumers, it only hurts the used game stores and probably the ma and pa ones at that.

 


Well it actually hurts people who have gamefly. I was pissed because i couldn't use the UAV's machine gun in BFBC2



gurglesletch said:
twesterm said:

Sorry, I'm with EA, Sony, and anyone else that does this.  It doesn't hurt the consumers, it only hurts the used game stores and probably the ma and pa ones at that.

 


Well it actually hurts people who have gamefly. I was pissed because i couldn't use the UAV's machine gun in BFBC2


1st. Gamefly FTW!

2nd. You couldnt use the machine gun on the UAV?  You gotta have vehicle alternate weapon perk then you can use it, it doesnt matter if you bought the game or not.



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I support this bcuz if you buy a used game for 35 instead of 50 or 60 like I did for KZ2.Then after u played the single player and you like its nothing to pay a extra 10 $ cuz it still will cost you less then the full price, right

the way I see it its that gamestop will have to low their prices for used game since theres a section of the game that we can access

The only thing stupid is that if you wanna rent the game b4 then I'd suggest to EA to at least make that even without the code you can play about 10 hours of multilayer

 



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Kasz216 said:
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I'm with the support of Online Game Passes completely. The USED GAME MARKET is a BLIGHT ON THE GAME INDUSTRY. I know that many gamers will feel the opposite, but if you are going to buy the game with intent to support the industry. Make sure you actually supporting the developers. This Used Market only supports retail and it makes retail more money that new. Retail get's a bigger cut on used games than new games.

If your only going to buy the game for personal consumer intent. Then to the developers you might as well committed piracy. They don't see a cent in either situation. Though you are still supporting the economy in terms of paying some ones wage.

So if a developer/publisher want's money and are disgusted with used games. Then this is a perfect alternative. I suspect though that this will lower the value of used Online Pass Games at Retail Stores by apx$10 when gamers fully catch on and don't buy them used.

 

Anyone thinking that a back pedal of publishers will happen eventually from the out cry of gamers.. it won't. This model is not new. It's been out for around some odd years in the PC world. You Console Kids need to give it a rest. You can't have it both ways. You can't have PC Online service design that's 15 years old(claiming it's console originated) then bitch about PC service charges. It's a service charge that's it. Get used to it.

What are you talking about?

This isn't a PC model of buisness.  EA sports games are free on PC.  Any system with online like that is free on PC.  I mean, have you ever played a PC game?

I mean are you talking about MMORPGs?  MMORPGS are totally different stories because of the vast amount of stuff that needs to be stored on a server.

Games like this are FREE on PC... and probably will only cost money when stupid shit like this from consoles pollutes PC.  You know... just like everything else does.

Aside from the fact that once again... the Used market HELPS the New market.  Feel free to read the article i've already posted twice in this thread... it's basic economic fact.

By supporting this you are merely supporting companies like EA shooting themselves in the foot and losing revenue.

Have you ever heard of a CD/DVD Key ?

Good luck trying to play a used PC game online. Even better, try to play a pirated copy online.

Have you ever heard of Steam ?

Good luck trying to buy/sell a used game like Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead or Modern Warfare 2

 

PC publishers already did what EA Sports and Sony are doing now on consoles/handhelds.



Oh noes, you'll have to support the people who make games that you love.  The horror.



EA, Sony, THQ and other game publishers are free to do what they want with this Online Pass stuff. They found a legal loophole to the first-sale doctrine (digital distribution) and they are exploiting it. That doesn`t mean that consumers aren`t entitled to voice complaints though. What kind of consumer wants to pay more money than they are already paying for products and services? lol. The gaming companies have every right to try this and consumers have every right to complain about it. What REALLY matters in the end is whether this Online Pass will actually result in increased revenue for EA, Sony, THQ and other game companies who implement it. That remains to be seen.

Here is my prediction of how this will all go down. New game sales may see some of a boost from used gamers who decide to buy new now instead of buying used. And these companies will gain revenue from used gamers who decide to buy the online pass instead of buying new (which is gonna happen. Because GameStop and sellers are going to lower the prices of their used games to compensate for the fact that used copies are going to be less valuable to gamers now. Instead of used copies going for $54.99 at GameStop, they`ll be $44.99 now to compensate for the $10 pass). And some renters may bite on the Online Pass.

HOWEVER, on the flip side of things, since trade-in and resale values of games are going to go down because used copies dont have online included, gamers will receive less money for every game they trade-in and resell. As a result, gamers who trade in or resell on eBay and what not will have less money to buy new games! So it`s unclear whether the Online Pass actually will lead to increased revenues for the gaming industry. Whatever they make from used gamers and renters, they may very lose from gamers who buy less new games because they don`t have as much trade-in and resale money as they used to.



I am so for this. Used games sales must be terminated immediately!

I'd prefer that gamers' money end up in the pockets of publishers and developers to be reinvested into making new games rather than end up in the pockets of Gamestop.