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That's why I said Nintendo is going to bore us, I am betting they are going to spend more time  showing us Wii party and Wii relax because those are the games that will sell 10 million and over, the problem is those types of games don't win E3's.

That's both fair and likely.  I don't think Wii Party is going to get too much exposure (it strikes me as something of a throwaway title, since the reveal was only 6 weeks from its planned release) but I do expect Wii Relax to get center stage for a long time.  And not to make too much light of it, but having an exciting presentation for "Wii Relax" doesn't sound like it'd be the right tone in the first place.

While I'm actually intrigued to see what they do with Wii Relax, I really hope they don't dwell on it at their conference.  My secret hope is that we get Nintendo 2005-levels of awesome.  But we all know that ain't happening.

Wow.. And this folks, is a prime example of what we call "projection." Everything you've descrbied about Nintendo in this paragraph fits PRECISELY with MS, as well as your precious Sony.

You should  be happy the Wii exsits, because without it, the industry right now would be headed quickly down the tubes. Wii is one of the most successful consoles of all time, and yet industry revenue isi STILL down. Imagine the turmoil the industry woul be in WITHOUT the Wii!

Sony and Ms are sticking with sustaining values, in orderto remain "alive" in the console industry. They are overshooting their technological values and adding features like Blu Ray and HD, that the mainstream gamer simply does not care much about. This explains the downturn in industry revenue, and why if MS and Sony do NOT change their ways soon, will soon become irrelivent.

Like in the NES era, Nintendo is keeping gaming fresh, and bringing in new and ex-gamers in order to keep gaming afloat. Because at Iwata said, the industry has nothing to do but shrivel up and die without gaming expanding and reaching out to new audiences. Sony and MS may have "next gen" consoles, but the Wii is a new gen console.

Also, Sony brings something to everyone, while Nintendo doesn't? LOL, I had to read this a few times to make sure I wasn't seeing things... Sony makes games that appeal to the male gamer 16-30, but little beyond that. Nintendo has brought gaming back to the masses, by cutting the cinema bs and complexity to games, and returning to gaming's roots. Nintendo's quality of games is FAR beyond almost any other developer these days. It's too bad you fail to see that. I also feel sorry for you that you seem to require blood and gore in your games in order for you to enjoy them.

These snobby self proclaimed "real"or "hardcore" gamers (like the one I just quoted) are the biggest bunch of phonies ever.. They going around boasting about how they are "TRUE" gamers (whatever the hell that means) while they get all bonerific to HD graphics and high polygons. Then they have the gaul to point at these new Wii gamers, dennouncing and criticizing them, claiming them to be "casual" and "non gamers." What a joke.. Just who made these people the gaming police anyway?

I love the casual Wii games and Wii gamers because they are truely the ones that capture the essence of what it means to be a gamer. They enjoy games for their pure FUN. They don't care about all the exterior superficial BS like graphics and epic cinematics. THESE people in my mind are the true hardcore gamers. Not the snob techies who pose as gamers. They are merely hpocritical posers to me.

Keep in mind, I don't include all HD gamers in this rant. I own a Xbox 360 myself and will soon have my new PS3. I'm just refering to the stuck up ones that criticize Nintendo, Wii, and its fans, and treat them like lesser gamers because they don't fall for the manufactured advertising and hype over graphics, while they act like they're somehow superior.

Huh? What does win E3? And what do they win if they win E3? Is there some trophy or something I've never heard?

I love the casual Wii games and Wii gamers because they are truely the ones that capture the essence of what it means to be a gamer. They enjoy games for their pure FUN. They don't care about all the exterior superficial BS like graphics and epic cinematics. THESE people in my mind are the true hardcore gamers. Not the snob techies who pose as gamers. They are merely hpocritical posers to me.

Well said. One thing I've noticed is how fun the new games are. I find my self growing away from the "hardcore," games, and I can't say I miss them. Well said (the whole post was good).

Well not necessarily. My sister bought a wii for wii fit, only to lose weight. She has 2 games: wii fit and wii sports. She only plays each game a few times every month(but mostly wii fit). She has no idea what Metal Gear Solid, Halo, God of War or Zelda is; she doesn't care about games in general, she does not visit game forums and does not anticipate the release of any game.

Do you think she's a gamer? For me a gamer is someone who has passion for games. Someone who prefers brawl over tekken is no less gamer than someone who owns all 6 tekken games, as long as he cares about the game he owns. But someone who plays 2-3 times a month a "fun" game such as  Game Party or Singstar is not a gamer IMHO.

Hmm, interesting.

The gaming press would never admit to Nintendo "winning" an E3. Nintendo could drop 17 3rd party exclusives and reveal 36 new IPs and a bitchin' Zelda that looks better than Crysis, but it still wouldn't be enough because StarTropics wasn't there after 20 years.

I wouldn't rely on Wii Party or Wii Relax to rule the holidays, but that is because the titles are so different that you can never really predict their sales patterns. Did anyone really know how big Wii Fit would get? As for Sony and Microsoft, I've had a 360 for over 2 years. No new IP is going to come from them that I will actually care about. Nothing showed up last year, and I don't expect much now. Sony has Killzone 3 and some more sequels, but their focus will be unfortunately split towards Move.

The elitism towards less active gamers displayed previously in this thread was disgusting. Who do you think you are, and where the hell do you get off saying who belongs and who doesn't? Nintendo or any other company can make whatever the hell games they want. If you don't like it too bad, but just because they aren't pumping out shooters and bloodfests like the Soda Factory doesn't make them irrelevant. The altitude must be pretty disorienting on that High Horse.

What I find amazing about this post is the fact you come into the thread talk about how MS makes no game that interest you, how Sony just has Killzone 3 and sequels, how HD gamers are all about shooters and bloodfest, yet dare to complain that people would complain about Nintendo and their games. It goes both way man, why is it so easy to dish out the complaints about MS and Sony yet feel like Nintendo is exempt.

See that's the problem, the people that play sports games and such weren't gamers 15ish years ago when those games started to take off and appeal to masses, now there are cash prize tournaments for that sort of game genre, in fact most of those guys eventually got into more "core" games as time went by but still don't see that type of gamer REALLY REALLY into games, still he is a gamer.

Your sister is a gamer too, so long as she's playing games, she's a gamer, even if its playing a game to lose weight, it's gaming, she might go either way buying something else that appeals to her like Wii Fit Plus (if that isn't the version she already owns) or never touch another game again, cause there's plenty of people that dipped their toes into the water in the PS1 days and never bought a console again, for that time they were gamers too.

@Kyliedog

And the games you want have never been really supported as they're all low tier Nintendo IPs to expect all of them is really asking too much since a proper Donkey Kong Country hasn't released since the SNES days...