4. I never said they all took that long. I've asked you who said that but you can't answer that because no-one did. It was a silly unfounded comment that you can't take back. I informed you GoW 1 and 2 didn't take 5 years because  you informed me poorly that Jak 3 & 4 took how ever many years which I later found out when you finally explained your point was brought up to show naughty dog, a studio bigger than remedy had been working on other games. If you had said that in your first post I would have pointed out that, like your Jak comment, was not needed here.

5. You have misunderstood but continued down this path and got even more confused. If your point was U2 didn't have an advantage then why couldn't you say that? Why does it take you several post later to explain yourself? His comment was completely not needed in the discussion but as he bought it up and I wanted it to be fairer you seem to have a problem with that and not the fact dev times meant nothing. You wanted to back him up for some reason?

You are right. This has been pointless for me but maybe you'll understand several post later. /amazed at this

I am not after a shit storm guys. I have been a substantial arse of a fanboy in the past.

But yeah here.

"Alan Wake's expert use of light, shadow and atmospheric effects is one of the highlights of the game. There's nothing quite like it on any other console game and it's a substantial tech achievement."

Now I know MikeB is trying to downplay the comment. But he has casually missed of the end of the comment. If they arent meaning these things to be the best, then they wouldnt end with it's a substantial tech achievement.

What baffles me, is people here see what they want.

I never said Alan Wake was the best, even based on what I read. What I said was the following:

Alan Wake leads in Lighting, Effects and attention to detail according to the tech analysis. Also it has an impressive draw distance to boot. Clever ways of making 540p not even seem like 540p and an impressive way for the human eye to not detect screen tearing.

Now, take it how you will. Without a doubt Alan Wake is right up there with the top boys from the videos. And I'm sure Alan wake will blow anyone away that sees it on an HDTV. Again Remedy have optimized their engine further since going gold. Of which they have found an extra 30 percent. And they believe they can draw more out of the CPU yet again. So what would that translate to. 720P 4xAA? higher res textures? higher character models?

Who knows. But certanly Remedy are nor finished with the 360 by the sounds of things.

Anyone who starts with all the BS I used to do saying that any 1 game is easily beating another now is seriously dillusional. I was. I got caught up in the fanboy BS. Bottom line is Uncharted 2 looksamazing. GOW 3 looks amazing. Alan Wake looks amazing. KZ2 looks amazing. At the end of the day, all of these games will drop your jaw to the floor at some point or another. That is very obvious.

So everyone quit trying to twist a tech analysis ( you should see the comments on DF comments page on thsi article. PS3 fans have gone nuts, claiming biased towards 360 at DF just because they say it has the best lighting etc. I mean they have gone really nuts. And they haven't even played it ).

Enjoy it, and be happy that the 360 is obviously nowhere near it's limit yet. :)

PEace guys.

Proof.

Proof 360 owners have have acted like Ps3 owners on the same scale or any scale. That is what PS3 owners do and the reverse. As soon as a 360 exclusive comes out on the PS3 all the hate and ridicule is gone from them.

Part of me thinks is Alan Wake was PS3 exclusive PS3 owners would have a problem with jumping on the hate bandwagon ...just a fact but whatever.

But, not as good as 3D Dot Game Heroes...am I right?

@ Kushalafang

Hardware limitations?  Yea, that's a hoot, huh?  The only real limitation I can think of that the PS3 really suffers from is only having a 2x Blu-ray drive.  But that must not be that big a deal, as evidenced by Uncharted 2, GoW3, and FF13 not having to have installs.

Actually the PS3 fans in the comments section are pissed because of this statement: "Few can argue with the assertion that Sony's mammoth network of first-party games studios has produced astonishing software in recent times. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves and God of War III see the PS3 producing state-of-the-art visuals and gameplay that seem to hurdle the hardware limitations of the console running them almost effortlessly."

Take from that comment what you will.

But, not as good as 3D Dot Game Heroes...am I right?

@ Kushalafang

Hardware limitations?  Yea, that's a hoot, huh?  The only real limitation I can think of that the PS3 really suffers from is only having a 2x Blu-ray drive.  But that must not be that big a deal, as evidenced by Uncharted 2, GoW3, and FF13 not having to have installs.