Honestly, I can't be arsed to keep on quoting and answering to every single reply.
@ guiduc, yes I do understand, don't try to detour the discussion lol You said that motions control cost. I proved that they aren't that expensive, and that Nintendo could lower the console's price. It's that simple.
About the Third Parties, err, that's because you said that SNES and the NES had TP support. And I just said that Sony made it work properly. Therefor, credits go to Sony.

@wyrdeness, cut on the insults ffs. That's one of the things that makes me lose my calm, I've made so many replies on this thread and haven't insulted anyone, you do your first and you go all like "you don't know shit about this, that's stupid as fuck" Not everyone shares your opinion about this, so try to be reasonable.
Seriously, you said some things that were so... God damn it where's the damn facepalm.jpg!!!
No one is stopping Nintendo from expanding. BUT THAT WON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY ONLY NEED THE GAMING INDUSTRY. BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD AT MAKING GAMES, NOT MOVIES, NOT MUSIC, NOT OS's. Seriously, it's so stupid to have this discussion, I can't believe I actually said that. Ok... let's make this easier. Sony is a big company. Sony Computer Entertainment needs to have profits, just like Nintendo. Just because they can get money from somewhere else, because Sony is a big corporation, it doesn't mean they can give products. And another thing, Nintendo isn't needy AT ALL. Let's see the problem that made me rage in the first place: 200€, for a console, with ONE controller, and Wii Sports. That's it. I had to buy another controller, that didn't even had a damn nunchunk. I mean, how can that be a good deal??
About the Eye Toy, next time I'll use the power glove instead of the Wii example. Compared to the power glove, the eye toy did an excellant job. But I wanted to give some credit at Nintendo for making a good use of the motions controller, 'cause I was starting to sound a too much like an Anti-Nintendo, and most people wouldn't realize that I don't hate their games. Anyway, go search for some 2006 threads, when people (i.e. fanboys) used to say that the PS2 already had motion controllers.

So yh, I wasted 2 hours of my life just replying people. Guess I won't come near this thread again, if you wanna discuss any ideas PM me or something, just no damn insults and talk like you should, please. Once again, you can't expect that everyone is happy with Nintendo's success, and vice versa.

70 million gamers? Have you talked with each one of 'em? How do you know that an x% of those consumers don't have any kind of idea about hardware and therefor don't know if that's a good or a bad deal? And my brother bought one for 200€ in 2009. He wanted to get some of the Mario classics, but he wasn't very happy with price. Perhaps he wasn't the only one.

I really hope you're not implying that Nintendo is "tricking" people into buying what you consider cheap hardware. People knew enough to invest $200-$250 on the console, so they obviously had SOME idea about the hardware. I think you underestimate the intelligence of the average Wii customer. Not everyone has the same perception of "value" in hardware that you do. You value polygons and horsepower, maybe other people value motion controls and accessibility.

Sony launched the PS3 for 600$ but the production costs were superior to that number, so as you can see, one of the consoles is offering a pretty damn good deal, specially because it was and still is the cheapest blu-ray player. Ok now I sounded like a salesman... lol

So just for the record.. You actually think $600 PS3 is ok, but $200 is not.. Just checkin. If the PS3 came with a new car but cost $10,000 would it be a good deal? Point is no gaming console should EVER cost $600, period.

About the PS1... are you serious? You knew exactly what I meant but you still had to be sarcastic at the beggining. You don't need to create a completely new concept to "revolutionize" the industry. And yes, it really revolutionized http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9EmmPbyhQ&NR=1 Make a poll or something if you doubt that the community thinks that the PS1 was just "another" console.

I fail to see how gaming changed after PS1 besides the normal incremental upgrades that you would expect. It took SNES concepts and made it 3D, and used CDs, which other consoles had already used. Great console, but I don't see it as revolutionary.

Please explain why you think Mario is more hardcore than MGS, I honestly don't understand lol And the hours of movie scenes on MGS4 are incredible. If you've played the game and you were aware of the history, then you know what I mean.

Sure thing. I find Mario games more hardcore than MGS because it has far more actual gameplay then MGS, which is half cut scenes. I don't see games that have a heavy focus on cinema and cut scenes as very "hardcore." Just my opinion. I see them as games trying to be like Hollywood, and I don't consider Hollywood very hardcore, especially when you're talking about games..

Sony launched the PS3 for 600$ but the production costs were superior to that number, so as you can see, one of the consoles is offering a pretty damn good deal, specially because it was and still is the cheapest blu-ray player. Ok now I sounded like a salesman... lol