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Carl on 17 April 2010
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

Don't the two userbases have different buying habits?

I don't think they do. Not that much that it really matters, anyway. All you need to do is look at the top selling games on each console.

In the top 5 selling 360 games, all of them involve killing people. The same goes for the PS3.

Both of them sell RPG's really well, of Western and Japanese varieties.

Both sell racing and sports games pretty much the same...

Now, if we compare either PS3 and/or 360 to the Wii... THAT'S where i think we see the different buying habits, on a whole new level.

Isn't that something of a gross oversimplification?

How so? It shows the buying habits fair enough.

3 of the games in each list are Call of Duty games. One of the games in each list is a Grand Theft Auto. The others are an exclusive FPS and an exclusive TPS.

If we expand it to the top 15...

The 360 has 8 games that involve shooting people. 2 that involve assassinating people. A music game, a racing game, a platformer and 2 RPG's.

The PS3 has 8 games that involve shooting people. 2 that involves assassinating people, 2 racing games ,a platformer, an RPG and a football game.

Things still look pretty similar to me. Now if i compared those lists to the Wii... Things would be a lot different.



                            

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Mr Puggsly on 17 April 2010
Khuutra said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Khuutra said:

Isn't that something of a gross oversimplification?

I think you are just arguing they don't have the exact same buying habits. But they clearly have similar buying habits.

I'm arguing that they have different buying habits that are different enough to ackwnoeldge that their userbases have unique tastes and gaming values. Tha they are more similar to each other than to the Wii userbase does not mean that the two of them are somehow interchangeable.

Like I said before, a hit on one HD console is verly likely to be a hit on the other. Even if one console would have a sales edge.

Also, technically speaking the consoles are similar enough to port a game across both platforms. So between the similar sales and similar ports, that's why people look at them as "interchangeable."



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Khuutra on 17 April 2010

So would you guys say that the big differences between them are that one's big on JRPGs and the other is big on shooters?



Mr Puggsly on 17 April 2010
Khuutra said:
So would you guys say that the big differences between them are that one's big on JRPGs and the other is big on shooters?

No, I just think the PS3 has an edge on some genres and so does the 360.

Ultimately, they seem to have quite similar taste.



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Carl on 17 April 2010
Khuutra said:
So would you guys say that the big differences between them are that one's big on JRPGs and the other is big on shooters?

Firstly, the only reason the one of them is "big on JRPG's" is because one has a greater presence in Japan. Even then, things really aren't as "big" as you make them out to be.

Secondly, the only reason one of them is "big on shooters" is because one has a greater presence in the US. Even then, things really aren't as "big" as you make them out to be.

Having a bigger userbase in a region can't be used for the userbase having different buying habits.

In the case of JRPG's - I point you towards Star Ocean 4, where the 360 version has blown away the PS3 version.

In the case of shooters - I point you to "Others" (Where PS3 and 360 are currently within 20k units of eachother) sales of Modern Warfare 2 between the PS3 and the 360.



                            

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bdbdbd on 17 April 2010

The discussion about buying habits is interesting.

Roughly, they seem to be similar. Though, i would guess, due to its cheaper pricetag, 360 is bought more for multiplatform games in mind, while PS3 appeals with its exclusives. So i would guess the biggest difference in buying habits is on the list of exclusives.

To mix the bag a little more, a survey conducted last fall, revealed that out of the US Wii owners, around half owned an HD system and judging by the market share that time, half of the HD system owners owned a Wii.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Arius Dion on 17 April 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
Arius Dion said:
Its a marriage of convenience lol. I mean the Wii has more than double the install base of PS3 and over 30m more units than the 360. The only way for some of these folks to have any solice whatsoever is to combine the sales of both platforms (even if they favor one over the other or completely hate the other HD console) To make themselves feel better about the domination of an underpowered 'casual' system over the multimedia hd systems.

This stuff doesn't bother me at all..at least not anymore. You get used to the hypocrisies and double talk. Its to the point where its entertainment and nothing more. Like the whole PS3 shortages..Its real because Sony is trying to appease all of this unbelievable demand! Yet the Wii, during their shortages was being manufactured by Nintendo to create more demand (as if that makes any business sense) and the Wii was selling twice that the PS3 is. Motion Controls a gimmick until the competition reveals theirs. Now its the bees knees.

And in this case, the whole NMH game..Its sold like crap on evey single system in Japan. But the sales are a flop on Wii but magically its "not bad considering" Fans of the HD consoles want to highlight a game on Wii not selling, blame it on the consumer and the system, but when a game flops on the HD consoles, its either because 'the competition is tougher' or the game sucked plain and simple.

Then if a game sells on Wii that is Mature it no longer counts because its part of a well known franchise lol. Yet most games that sell in general are part of a well known franchise. I love the theatre. Just enjoy the show my friend. There are much more important things to worry about than videogames..At least imo..But then again I'm just a casual gamer.

1. I'm not bothered that the underpowered console is dominating, I'm bothered the console with the worst library is dominating. This is the only generation I've felt this. I can live with last gen graphics, but how about some last gen quality games.

2. I'm sensing its BS as well. All motion controls are a gimmick. I'm not crazy about Wiimote either.

3. It would be more interesting to debate NMH if the Wii and HD releases came out at the same time. Late ports pretty much always sell worse. For example, 360 timed exclusive JRPGs don't sell well on the PS3. Yet JRPGs released on both HD consoles at the same time dominate on the PS3.

4. Well the best selling Mature games on the Wii are popular franchises. But you could also argue the other Mature games on the Wii aren't great.

You aren't a casual gamer. You have a huge collection, you're very savvy of all this interweb BS, and you're clearly bias torwards Nintendo. A true casual gamer doesn't know about any of this shit and doesn't care. You act like you're above it, but you are totally apart of it.

LoL. Thank you for calling me savvy. But here's the thing, identifying myself as a self proclaimed casual gamer was more tongue in cheek due to the whole idea of Wii gamers being casual gamers by default (I hate all those terms, casual hardcore etc). I don't act like I am above it, I am above it. I may be apart of it, simply because like the lot of us here, I enjoy Video Games.

I should also note, that my games collection includes games I owned at one point of my life, but don't any longer..for circumstances beyond my control. And as for bias towards Nintendo. Yeah, I am partial to their games. But understand that is just my preference. Every one will have their own preferences.

The sad thing is some try to place more importance on their own preference of games and somehow try and make it out to be superior to others. THAT is what I have a problem with, that is where I fight my battles. But I do so in a way that isn't meant to troll or whatever. However, I have no control over how you or any one else on this site take what I post. And truthfully, I don't really care.

I do hope, though, that maybe my posts will reflect the ideas and thoughts onlookers who haven't joined this site yet can identify with. Much like many posters here resonated with me before I joined. That is all.



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chocoloco on 17 April 2010

Last time I gave my real opinion on the subject I was banned, so I think all the systems are 100% equal so there is no reason to have any conversation about it.



bdbdbd on 17 April 2010

@Carl: Could you explain why the different sales in different regions can't be used? That's only a proof that the userbases have different buying habits.

Oh, now i get it.



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Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Carl on 17 April 2010
bdbdbd said:
@Carl: Could you explain why the different sales in different regions can't be used? That's only a proof that the userbases have different buying habits.

Oh, now i get it.

It can be used, but it doesn't work right when we are talking about the sales of games. The sales of the consoles themselves is an entirely different debate. 

When the 2 consoles have similar userbases the arguements don't really work that well. I gave a perfect example with Modern Warfare 2. In an area where both are equal in userbase, the sales of the game are also pretty much equal.