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caz604 on 15 April 2010
letsdance said:
caz604 said:
As always, Khuutra, your debating skills are top notch.

This reminds me of the great debate of the Marvel Universe vs the DC Comics Universe.
Mythos from the real world... changed and adapted for mythos in the video game world...

I myself would have to go with which world the fight would take place.

If it was in the God of War Universe with the laws of physics and magic from that world, then Kratos would win.

If fought in Hyrule, Kratos doesn't stand a chance.

However, if on a neutral world, we need goalposts and the new laws of physics and magic to have a nice solid debate.

His debating skills are to ignore logic and use double standards to his advantage.


Well I dont see the double standard.... and I've been debating, bargaining, negotiating a long time from experience. 

What needs to be done here, is to lay the field down and set up a core set of parameters to adhere to. 

While I understand your viewpoint, and you're correct in your arguement about the devs balance.. et al, however that in itself lends credence to Khuutras arguement.



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Xero on 15 April 2010

Also, have we considered that link cannot instantiously transition between his equipments? All of kratos' equipments fit on him, however in reality let's links equipment transferance process is considerably more time consuming than Kratos.

As in, it'd likely be impossible to start changing masks in battle, or start playing a song on his Ocarena despite these being in links liberary of abilities.

Also, Pegasus would beat the shit out of Epona. Kinda irrelevant but something worth pointing out.



letsdance on 15 April 2010
Xero said:
Khuutra said:
Xero said:
Khuutra said:

Kratos abandons control of fate in the end of GoW2 in pursuit of his vengeance - he'd have ot travel back to the loom again. And he's plenty capable of dying.

He can die, but the underworld can't hold him. And I don't think traveling back to the loom again would be a problem. 

Plus,  Kratos has the wings of icarus and boots of speed. Whilst for the sake of balancing issues in-game these can't be used to fly or run quickly for any sustained period. Kratos would be able to use these to there full effects, as in he'd be lightening fast and able to fly. 

Solid argument, but it requires Kratos to abandon the fight to pursue other goals, which defeats the entire question of Who Would Beat Up Who (TM). In this context, Link beats up Kratos, which is all that I'm talking about.

The Wings of Icarus don't allow him to fly unless there's an updraft, and this is true even in cutscenes, and canonically Kratos can only use Hermes's boosts for bursts of speedo ver short distances, because he can't control them very well. There's o instance, cutscene or otherwise, where he uses them in other ways.

As I said however, that's just how the developers have made the gameplay. The trait of the wings of iccarus are that they allow the bearer to fly, as they allowed icarus to fly in a cut-scene beforehand. And as the speed boots allowed (was it hermes?) to go superfast before Kratos took them off him. Not that I think flying would particularly aid Kratos vs Link since Kratos has no ranged aerial attacks and taking flight would arguably put him at a disadvantage leaving him vulnerable to links ranged equipments. 

As for whoever said 'didn't he drop to the underworld when he fell off gaia' I got the impression that the fall had killed him and that's why he went to hell. If you look at the structure of heaven/hell/earth in greek mythology I don't believe it's possible just to fall down to hell, and if It is I think the fall kills you anyway. I don't believe it's possible to be considered 'alive' in hill so I guess your status changes to dead as soon as you enter. 

Kratos has ranged attacks. He has the fire bow and he has swords attached to chains. He doesn't need to be far away in the air to be efficient. Still the boots of hermes would make it so link would never get a hit off. 

And I rewatched it I guess he does die since Athena says "Death can not keep those with a purpose" or something.



Carl on 15 April 2010
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

Fair enough. Canonically speaking it would make sense that the only reason Sirens didn't use the power before Kratos ripped off Helios's head is because they can't turn intangible in sunlight, even if it's not shining directly on them. That makes sense, right? After all, when you run into Sirens in GoW3, the Sun is literally gone.

True, it could mean that... But i don't think there is any proof of it.

That's also fair enough, but it's pretty much the only explanation we have, isn't it? Sunlight reveals the true nature of things.

Link's Magic Cape works in sunlight, it works in bright Light, it allows him to pass through magical fires. There's nothing canonically that's able to dispel that magic. Assumign that Kratos's use of Helios's Head could dispel it is assuming things outside of canon.

As just pointed out, Helios' Head shows things that are also hidden even if they are in sunlight... So it could make Link tangible.

I don't see the point in continuing the whole Magic Cape vs. Helios' Head thing though, as we are just talking "could's"... Not really getting anywhere and the things can't be proven anyway



                            

Khuutra on 15 April 2010
Xero said:
Also, have we considered that link cannot instantiously transition between his equipments? All of kratos' equipments fit on him, however in reality let's links equipment transferance process is considerably more time consuming than Kratos.

As in, it'd likely be impossible to start changing masks in battle, or start playing a song on his Ocarena despite these being in links liberary of abilities.

Also, Pegasus would beat the shit out of Epona. Kinda irrelevant but something worth pointing out.

Link carries his items with him at all times - canonically it takes no time at all for him to change equipment, which is translated into gameplay by "pausing".



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Xero on 15 April 2010

I forgot about his bow. It's also worth noting that abilities like his bow take resources from an infinite regenerating stamina pool rather than an actual pool of physical resources.



Khuutra on 15 April 2010
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:

True, it could mean that... But i don't think there is any proof of it.

That's also fair enough, but it's pretty much the only explanation we have, isn't it? Sunlight reveals the true nature of things.

Link's Magic Cape works in sunlight, it works in bright Light, it allows him to pass through magical fires. There's nothing canonically that's able to dispel that magic. Assumign that Kratos's use of Helios's Head could dispel it is assuming things outside of canon.

As just pointed out, Helios' Head shows things that are also hidden even if they are in sunlight... So it could make Link tangible.

I don't see the point in continuing the whole Magic Cape vs. Helios' Head thing though, as we are just talking "could's"... Not really getting anywhere and the things can't be proven anyway

Helios' head never showed anything that was invisible in sunlight - you never even get to a wall in question until Helios has already crashed and the light of the Sun no longer shiens on it. Double in the Underworld, where the Sun never reaches.

But yes, I agree that arguing this point is kind of.... pointless.

So, Carl. What's your take on the fight as letsdance has outlined it?

Would you like to set up a criteria where Link doesn't have access to Chateau Romani and one of his deal-breaking invincibility items?



Khuutra on 15 April 2010
Xero said:
I forgot about his bow. It's also worth noting that abilities like his bow take resources from an infinite regenerating stamina pool rather than an actual pool of physical resources.

Please be kind enough to respond to my response to you above, it's fairly lengthy.



Carl on 15 April 2010
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:

True, it could mean that... But i don't think there is any proof of it.

That's also fair enough, but it's pretty much the only explanation we have, isn't it? Sunlight reveals the true nature of things.

Link's Magic Cape works in sunlight, it works in bright Light, it allows him to pass through magical fires. There's nothing canonically that's able to dispel that magic. Assumign that Kratos's use of Helios's Head could dispel it is assuming things outside of canon.

As just pointed out, Helios' Head shows things that are also hidden even if they are in sunlight... So it could make Link tangible.

I don't see the point in continuing the whole Magic Cape vs. Helios' Head thing though, as we are just talking "could's"... Not really getting anywhere and the things can't be proven anyway

Helios' head never showed anything that was invisible in sunlight - you never even get to a wall in question until Helios has already crashed and the light of the Sun no longer shiens on it. Double in the Underworld, where the Sun never reaches.

But yes, I agree that arguing this point is kind of.... pointless.

So, Carl. What's your take on the fight as letsdance has outlined it?

Would you like to set up a criteria where Link doesn't have access to Chateau Romani and one of his deal-breaking invincibility items?

I really don't know. As i said on my first post...

I think Kratos vs. Any single Link = Kratos wins.

Kratos vs. All Link's combined... I would have given it to Link until the whole soul blades came into it and the big debate about Helios' Head. I can't make my mind up



                            

Khuutra on 15 April 2010
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

Helios' head never showed anything that was invisible in sunlight - you never even get to a wall in question until Helios has already crashed and the light of the Sun no longer shiens on it. Double in the Underworld, where the Sun never reaches.

But yes, I agree that arguing this point is kind of.... pointless.

So, Carl. What's your take on the fight as letsdance has outlined it?

Would you like to set up a criteria where Link doesn't have access to Chateau Romani and one of his deal-breaking invincibility items?

I really don't know. As i said on my first post...

I think Kratos vs. Any single Link = Kratos wins.

Kratos vs. All Link's combined... I would have given it to Link until the whole soul blades came into it and the big debate about Helios' Head. I can't make my mind up

We've acknowledged that discussing Helios's Head vs. the Magic Cape is pointless, but the fact remains that the Claws of Hades can't hit enemies when they're intangible.... and more, being able to pull out a soul is a matter of willpower, and is not easily done even when an opponent is mostly dead already.