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NinjaV on 12 April 2010

milos great for people with no real friends.



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homer on 12 April 2010

What if they used this technology to make a debate game. The computer would be crazy hard to beat if it was hooked up to the internet. It could be cheating. :P



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tuscaniman on 12 April 2010
gurglesletch said:
CGI-Quality said:
gurglesletch said:
CGI-Quality said:
gurglesletch said:
CGI-Quality said:
gurglesletch said:
That Milo demo was lame though many will disagree with me.

What didn't you like about it?

It was all smoke and mirrors. I do not believe that technology is to the point of where the demo was trying to show us it was.

I keep hearing this. Was it confirmed to not be realtime?

I'll re word it if you like. It was a specially designed thing that responded to a few words and gestures.

Still doesn't answer my question though. People keep claiming that it was "false", "not for real", "all show".....or......"specially designed". Where's the confirmation?

Where's the proof it was?

We don't have to prove it was realtime because Peter himself just said it was. Therefore you have to disprove it.



BillyBOBMahog on 12 April 2010
HappySqurriel said:

I’m currently working in a company that deals heavily with voice recognition, and have worked directly with it in my past; although I am far from an expert in it, and my focus is in a completely different segment of the company (because they’re moving away from voice based systems). Our sales team will brag about a 75% recognition rate to new clients for a voice based system for a very simple call-flow because of how few systems can achieve that success level; and this requires more processing power than you could dedicate to the task on the XBox 360 and still have a game running at the same time. If you’re wondering, human levels of recognition are in the 97.5% range.

Bleeding edge voice recognition is so primitive it makes the worst Wiimote Waggle look amazingly precise.

EndWar worked pretty well.

And the difference there, is that the system was trained for a particular person.  IVR call systems have no training.



heruamon on 12 April 2010
DirtyP2002 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Mumby said:
CGI-Quality said:
Mumby said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8aUhsrM0sA

This is factual, indisputable proof?

Yep. Undeniable truth if you wish =/

Not quite.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's 100% impossible for it to be fake. I'd just like to know that for a fact, so that when I speak about this product, I won't be defending something that has been factually revealed as fake.


Milo was not fake.

Look here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-project-natal-hands-on

I give you a quote:

instead we're presented with Milo on his own, sitting on a swing by a river. Molyneux invites me to try interacting with him by standing in front of the screen and moving around the room.

As I move, the camera moves with me. Shift your body left and the camera pans left; tilt your body forwards and it zooms in, and so on. "Normally you'd be using the right thumbstick for this," observes Molyneux. It's a bit disconcerting, but in a good way; looking around to change your viewpoint feels a lot more natural than pushing a stick.

or

Now, he says, we're going to train Milo to recognise me. I'm told to smile and frown to start the process off, and I try to make things easy for Milo by exaggerating my expressions like a gurning champion at a rave. "That's too much," says Molyneux. "You don't smile and frown like that in real life, do you?" He clearly hasn't seen my Facebook page.

I tone it down a bit and sure enough, Milo jumps off his swing and walks towards me. "You OK?" he says.

"Wearing black, I see. It suits you." He's not wrong. About the first bit, anyway. But once the shock of Milo noticing this wears off, I realise he hasn't answered my question. Perhaps this is one of the tricks used to make you think he's real; and they are indeed tricks, as Molyneux is happy to admit.

It's unnerving, there's no doubt about it. Instinctively I reply, "Yes, thank you. How are you?"

 

SO who do you believe Eurogamer or a random youtube video?

Facts are not what we want to discuss here...wild ass speculations please...lol.



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Mad55 on 12 April 2010

i cant wait for it and you don't know what people are capable of so stop making false judgments on stuff you have no the answer to. I for one hope it develops into something close to what CGI-Quality thinks it is cause that would be great.



Azelover on 12 April 2010

Can we please, PLEASE lay off the "talk" for a few minutes?

Project Natal has had a good deal of demonstration, and we've reacted to it and we loved it for what it was. So why all of the talk now? Everything works differently in practice, you can have a technology that does wonders on paper, until you play with it and you have it in a context of use, it's meaningless. Absolutely meaningless.

I understand that Microsoft must keep the momentum going, but so far it's really just a lot of talk, and some people are making assumptions out of that. All I know is, the demonstrations were nice and we liked them, but they were just that. Until we and other regular folks can play it, there's nothing new in all this talk. It's the same regular gibberish. No offense to the Natal fans, I'm sure you're lovely people, but come on..



BillyBOBMahog on 12 April 2010
Azelover said:
Can we please, PLEASE lay off the "talk" for a few minutes?

Project Natal has had a good deal of demonstration, and we've reacted to it and we loved it for what it was. So why all of the talk now? Everything works differently in practice, you can have a technology that does wonders on paper, until you play with it and you have it in a context of use, it's meaningless. Absolutely meaningless.

I understand that Microsoft must keep the momentum going, but so far it's really just a lot of talk, and some people are making assumptions out of that. All I know is, the demonstrations were nice and we liked them, but they were just that. Until we and other regular folks can play it, there's nothing new in all this talk. It's the same regular gibberish. No offense to the Natal fans, I'm sure you're lovely people, but come on..

I know right.  Forum discussions should be devoid of speculation about future games and hardware.



flagship on 12 April 2010

Ahhh Peter Molyneux, promising Mars and giving us a sandbox full of red sand.



steverhcp02 on 13 April 2010
mike_intellivision said:
This points to the biggest issue with Natal.

There is so much misunderstanding of what it can and will do. And overselling (which Microsoft has a reputation of doing) could ultimately be a negative on this hardware. In other words, not everyone realizes that the AI is a tech concept video and not actual "gameplay footage."

In other words, there are a lot of people who expect it to do much more than it will be able to do. Not that it will not be a good technology, but it may not be the technology that some people (incorrectly) expect.

Mike from Morgantown

This is pretty much all that needs to be said. VERY VERY well put.

I think ALL of us want Natal and Milo to be the real deal. However, a lot of us are skepticle because of lack of info. I understand MSFT wants to blow the doors off at E3, but then dont go on Fallon, dont promote it via Popular Science as the most important or impressive tech of 2009 or whatever (its really just marketing since the magazine never actually showed off th eproduct or even gave information that we didnt "know" already) when we know NOTHING about it.

Never in my life have i seen so much talk, and praise for a completely unknown commodity. The gamer and tech enthusiast inside of me is screaming yes, lets do it.....the logical consumer in me is saying, dont pull the wool over my eyes.




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