I wasn't comparing Q3 to UT2004, but noob friendly CS to UT. Anyway I just went through my old WCG videos and comparing speed of Q3 + 4 vs UT2004, UT does look like a snail compared to Quake. So so so slow. Both UT and Quake are beeing played at LANs, but not a big official progaming events.

Thought you were talking Quake, sorry. But of course CS will be still in media and places, because it's noob friendly more people can just play it and get less people get discouraged to just drop the game. Noob games are just more popular, as shown by any shooter in the past 6 years.

Quake is only faster for moving through the level because of the hopping. However in actual battle, as you know, hopping is a sure way to get you killed unless you are running. Meanwhile UT is much much faster than Quake when it comes to a shootout, but much slower in navigating a level. Since the navigation of a level really doesn't matter since levels are buiolt around the speed of navigation, UT wins. It's much harder to nail a person in UT than it is in the slow Quake.

Quake is mostly a position war, holding the right place on the map can earn you victory. But the magic and reason why Quake was more popular amongst both gamers and media was the speed at which the match flows. And yes, hoping and the movement altogather is the reason. UT is slower than Q, I really can't accept what you're trying to say.

And to CS beeing noob friendly, explain to me, why it's still the most popular multiplayer shooter in the world? Why the community is still going strong with so many newer games around and why UT and Q died when they have basicaly zero competetion?

UT2k4 last I remember was just barely surviving only because of TAM, and the community didn't help keep UT alive - especially the old schoolers on prounreal who took every opportunity to remind everyone that UT was a dead game.  Epic's nonexistant support also made sure it stayed dead.  The community had to come in with UTComp because the game was barely playable out of the box.  UT3 is basically dead.

So yeah, UT had its fans but the game is dead - which a lot of it had to do with Epic themselves.

As for speed, it doesn't help fighting much in UT2k4 when a lot of matches ended up being +back w/shield out anyways.  Probably different in UT.

See, in UT position didn't matter, just as long as you were in the right place at the right time to collect a shield or DD. When it comes to the actual shooting and dodging however, UT is much more dynamic and much faster than Q.

As to CS, the same reason Halo is so popular. More people can play it, there hasn't been a sequel, and the chobs that have been playing it for 10 years are used to it. As I said before even the biggest noob can get lucky and do well some rounds. There is no such thing in Q or UT, so all the noobs decided that they are better off leaving and playing a game where they can think of themselves as somewhat skillful, than stick around with Q and UT and have their faces pummeled in the ground nonstop. I mean, if I was a noob I'd have done the same so it's understandable.

I never saw the AI do that in Mario Kart 64.  As I said, when you get far enough ahead in Mario Kart 64, you could stay in the lead without anyone catching up with you.  If they did, it would only because you missed a turn or slowed down.

As for me 'sucking', that's just your assessment.  Which I would like to clarify I learned all the standard controls and mechanics of the game just fine, or else I wouldn't have unlocked all the games content.  It still doesn't stop you from being hit by items multiple times in the lead (even when trailing an item) or the fact that you can go from 1st to 11th simply by getting the wrong item.  All of these are things that never happened in previous Mario Kart games.

But frankly, its not like I'm trying to be 'pro' at the game.  I'm just trying to point it out.  I was there first day when the game came out and was playing the game online for a good month, same as a lot of people.  These were complaints a lot of people had.  I was like you for a while and I shrugged off the idea that certain aspects of the game were broken and played through it.  But after long periods of play and tons of repetative experience with the game, both against the computer and online, I can't really come to any other conclusion.  The game has problems.  And I'm sorry if you really like the game and think you're really good at it and think I'm wrong about the games flaws but I'm just pointing out my experiences.  And no matter how often you win, it won't change my experiences.

Well i will say this, you will get a ton of bs in cs. It has more hackers than any other game ive known. Auto shotties aint nub weps, awp whores are the ones i have hate for. Especially the ones who love to plant then find a nice lil camping spot. Even with all the bs that cs has, (well css is the one i play), its massively addicting and i just cant quit the damn game.

I think I'll pass.  Yes,  I haven't been playing the game much since launch, but also I don't need to be playing someone who keeps trying to goat me into a game by saying I suck at the game before hand.  Win or lose, its just a bad sign for me in the end.