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redspear on 10 March 2010
strunge said:
Bamboleo said:

If Apple can sue HTC for 20 iPhone patents infringment (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/03/02patents.html ) there is something that Nintendo can't do.

All this imitation can't just be created and launched just like that.

For an instance I just hate Nintendo to be so dumb about their creations and not taking the necessary measures to prevent blatant copy.

How about you take a few years, go to law school, and figure it out.  just because two scenarios seem similar doe snot make them identical so you haven't shown a logical comparrison.

are you seriously suggesting that of all the highly skilled lawyers in the world, not to mention Nintendo's own interest in protecting their ideas, that if there was a case here you have identified it with your apparent lack of knowledge of the law and yet those skilled profesional can't figure it out.

the answer is simple -- because there is no infringement.  case closed.

Well coming from someone whose majority of cases are IP. I can tell you that the Apple/HTC suit isn't THAT much different from nintendo suing Sony over the ARC. I say that much difference as I think Apple would have a better case but after reading the patents involved in the HTC matter Apple really seems to be reaching.

 



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WereKitten on 10 March 2010
Raze said:
Bamboleo said:
Viper1 said:
I'll say this again. You can only patent a method, not an idea.

Wii Remote and Nunchuk, Wand and nunchwand(?) doesn't look veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery similar methods?

Oh yes they do. 

the thing that differentiates them is that the Arc doesnt relay the data via BlueTooth, like the Wii controls do. Its also a seperate system of motion detection. So theoretically, while it may look similar, it wont respond similarly.

 

What I question is how through motion camera detection, a thumbstick would work. Since all the data would be relayed via movement (or thus infringe on Nintendo's bluetooth data method in its system (no I know nintendo doesnt own bluetooth tech)),  the way to move forward and backwards with a motion camera would be to move that full arm that way.

I want to see the final product already and end the conjecture!

Your conjectures can end sooner than that: you're wrong :) All wireless peripherals of PS3 are bluetooth devices, even the optional multimedia remote.

Plus the wand has gyroscopes and accelerometers to detect rotations and accelerations. Those data, as well as button and trigger presses will be transmitted via the bluetooth link, and in the other direction (console->controler) the software can probably control the colour of the led light in addition to the rumble. The external camera only tracks translations in 3d, not the rotations.

Really, this is old news:

...

The newly announced Motion Controller is equipped with two motion sensors, three axes gyroscope and three axes accelerometer that can detect the controller’s angle and movement held in the user’s hand. Together with the PlayStation Eye camera for PS3 which can accurately track the absolute position of the controller, the controller can detect the natural and intuitive movement of the hand and reflect the precise movement on to the game. The sphere placed on the top of the controller is not only used to track the absolute position but can also give visual feedback to users by changing the colors or the illuminating patterns of the sphere.

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huaxiong90 on 10 March 2010

Oh dear god, I hope this is a joke.



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strunge on 10 March 2010
redspear said:
strunge said:
Bamboleo said:

If Apple can sue HTC for 20 iPhone patents infringment (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/03/02patents.html ) there is something that Nintendo can't do.

All this imitation can't just be created and launched just like that.

For an instance I just hate Nintendo to be so dumb about their creations and not taking the necessary measures to prevent blatant copy.

How about you take a few years, go to law school, and figure it out.  just because two scenarios seem similar doe snot make them identical so you haven't shown a logical comparrison.

are you seriously suggesting that of all the highly skilled lawyers in the world, not to mention Nintendo's own interest in protecting their ideas, that if there was a case here you have identified it with your apparent lack of knowledge of the law and yet those skilled profesional can't figure it out.

the answer is simple -- because there is no infringement.  case closed.

Well coming from someone whose majority of cases are IP. I can tell you that the Apple/HTC suit isn't THAT much different from nintendo suing Sony over the ARC. I say that much difference as I think Apple would have a better case but after reading the patents involved in the HTC matter Apple really seems to be reaching.

 

not having a great case doesn't prevent anyone from suing and hoping to convince a judge of their argument.  take the ridiculous Lindsey Lohan suit just filed. sure, they can sue, but just because they can doesn't mean their argument is valid. 



intro94 on 10 March 2010
room414 said:
intro94 said:
demitri55 said:
intro94 said:
demitri55 said:

point is nintendo does not own motion control rights. nintendo has no case against sony. there is no similarity besides the concept that both devices share which isnt own by nintendo and thats motion sensing and if thats your case you must of forgotten about past motion sensing devices and the playstation eye. conversation ending me 5 wins nintendo fans 0 LOL. ah im glad i stop supporting nintendo before this generation i wouldnt want to deal with the "new fans" of these generation like the ones being displayed here

i couldnt stay here all morning , even tho your replies are amusing.Did you find the document where nintendo references Goschi`s patent?I hope so. you couldnt prove a single thing of your statements i guess.

i did but you so call "left". well im leaving cause even though i figured it out long ago you guys are nothing but trolls. so ill stop feeding you and walk away like everyone else did

i dunno i checked the following posts. You couldnt find any document or printed information or anything where as you lied, his work is referenced.Im not lying, like some.Im just looking for the truth.If you were right, i would accept and say Oh nintendo did reference his work.Why arent they paying him.I would be wondering how they got away with referencing his work and not paying him any royalty. But the truth is the obvious one, they didnt reference him, because they had no idea of his work, nor looked into it.You said you would show me proof, you showed nothing. There is nothing.

It doesn't look like he has much of a case but they did reference his work.

There are two US patents, both filed in 1999, that cite Goschy as an inventor (6315673, 6545661) - the latter was referenced by Nintendo in a patent filed in April 2003 for a "game device changing sound and an image in accordance with a tilt operation," laying the foundation for the Wii remote. It should be noted that there are a total of 110 U.S. patents and nine foreign patents that are reference by Nintendo. Goschy's patent is also referenced by Apple (7307228) and Nikon (6727885).

 

source

thanks for the clarification.its notable that even the patent offices were also aware of the previous patent and yet also realized the advancement made too much of a diference to be arguably in any way or form..



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redspear on 10 March 2010
strunge said:
redspear said:
strunge said:
Bamboleo said:

If Apple can sue HTC for 20 iPhone patents infringment (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/03/02patents.html ) there is something that Nintendo can't do.

All this imitation can't just be created and launched just like that.

For an instance I just hate Nintendo to be so dumb about their creations and not taking the necessary measures to prevent blatant copy.

How about you take a few years, go to law school, and figure it out.  just because two scenarios seem similar doe snot make them identical so you haven't shown a logical comparrison.

are you seriously suggesting that of all the highly skilled lawyers in the world, not to mention Nintendo's own interest in protecting their ideas, that if there was a case here you have identified it with your apparent lack of knowledge of the law and yet those skilled profesional can't figure it out.

the answer is simple -- because there is no infringement.  case closed.

Well coming from someone whose majority of cases are IP. I can tell you that the Apple/HTC suit isn't THAT much different from nintendo suing Sony over the ARC. I say that much difference as I think Apple would have a better case but after reading the patents involved in the HTC matter Apple really seems to be reaching.

 

not having a great case doesn't prevent anyone from suing and hoping to convince a judge of their argument.  take the ridiculous Lindsey Lohan suit just filed. sure, they can sue, but just because they can doesn't mean their argument is valid. 

This is very true. In the US you can sue anybody for anything of course if you really did that the case would be thrown out on summary judgement or in some case the plaintiff would have to foot the bill for the entire trial including attorneys fees. 

Suing over patents you also risk the chance of invalidating your patents while this does not happen often, I have seen it a few times for different reasons. I've even seen big companies have some patents invalidated.



PhalanxCO on 10 March 2010
demitri55 said:

oh you jsut got shutting up

"So, does he have a case? There are two US patents, both filed in 1999, that cite Goschy as an inventor (6315673, 6545661) - the latter was referenced by Nintendo in a patent filed in April 2003 for a "game device changing sound and an image in accordance with a tilt operation,"

and

"laying the foundation for the Wii remote."

oh come on dude ask for the link!!! cause i got more evidence. i even got scren shots of nintendo patent reference to goschy patent come on ask for it!! oh sweet mother of god i shut this dude up.

nintendo reference his patent meaning you cant argue and say the wii-mote wasnt copied or inspired by goschy invention. like i always been arguing about. when you reference someone elses patent it means you are building from an existing product or idea (again what i been arguing about)

YOU JUST GOT OWNED!!! want the article link??

People might take you more seriously if you weren't acting like a 10 year old.  Unless of course you are a 10 year old.

Wouldn't it make more sense for him to sue Midway instead of Nintendo?  I doubt Nintendo said "Hey, we'll pay for this patent, but you have to fire that Goschy guy and not give him any credit for it.  Deal??"



Viper1 on 10 March 2010
Raze said:
Do we have any confirmation of a Sony "nunchuck"? Thus far, Ive not seen anything.
Viper1 said:
Raze, it's coming. You'll see it at GDC.

 I can has credibility now?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10467340-52.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20



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Imphamis on 10 March 2010

Because Nintendo continues to see Sony and Microsoft as no threat. As if they are in a different world................or should I say ocean. At least for now. We will just have to wait and see the final design of Sony's "Nunchuk".



 

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buzzard on 10 March 2010

Nintendo should totally sue