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I have no problem to admit that doing things well, carefully timing the most significant moves, PS3 could reach 100M, but beating Wii, come on! Should PS3 reach 127M (very difficult), Wii should surpass 160M (it would mean a great expansion of overall console market).
And all this admitting that Wii stops selling before PS3.
Anyhow, news like this are amusing.



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Buzzi said:
We know the PS3 will be on markets for more years than Wii, that's pretty sure...but we don't know how it will sell after Wii2's launch...do they really think that if Wii 2 launches in 2012, with Wii Sports 3, NSMBW 2, Mario Kart Wii 2 and some other great games it won't become immediately the market leader? And if it is as powerful as a PS3 (quite possible, in 2012 at 250$ it would make profits from the beginning) why should customers buy a PS3 (considering the games which expand the audience are being published now, so in the next years the sales will be caused more by existing games than new ones) ? Wii eill sell over 100m before the new console launch, but then it son't stop selling, likely topping 110-120m. The PS3 I think will struggle to sell more than 90m LTD.

I don't think we know that at all. That's like saying back during the N64/PS1 era that: We know the N64 will be on the markets for more years than the PS1. Tech doesn't determine how long a product is on the market..the market (consumers) do. No third place console has lingered on the market after its successor is released, and no market leading console has ever puttered out after its successor has been released.

As for prof..If PS3 is only up 30% after the 100$ price cut/redesign compared to last year when sales were nothing to write home about, that's not to reassuring that PS3 will hit this mythical number.



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And analysts think that by saying this they control the consumers? And most important, they control NINTENDO? MICROSOFT? Other companies?

So everyone will just SEAT and watch SONY selling zillions of consoles (is that even possible?) and DO NOTHING.... Is that what you believe?

NINTENDO, MICROSOFT, hell, SONY are all already working in new platforms. When new platforms come out nobody will care about the "old" PS3, just like the "old" PS2. PS2 still sales, so what? The cool new games are coming out for the new cool systems, and in the future will be the same.

Or do you want to play in your PS3 or 360 for 10 years? This generation is next to it's limit, another 1 or 2 years and it's time to CHANGE. We need new hardware so we can have new experiences.

As simples as this.




Demotruk said:
Wii was up this time last year too.

PS3 should be up for the first half of the year, but I think it'll start making losses at the end of the year as MS steals some thunder and they face a tougher comparison with a stronger latter half of last year.

The amount that they've sold and are trending already going into FF13, GoW3, GT5 and Arc will ensure that it tops last year in sales. They are up 30%, nearly 500k units and are now trending 10-12% higher than last year week over week, not including the big hits coming out in just a short time. By September, they will be up on last year by a few million, which means that even if their christmas decreases by an entire third, they will still beat last year.



theprof00 said:
Demotruk said:
RolStoppable said:
@Demotruk

Makes sense. But one factor that makes growth for the PS3 possible is third party support. Historically support for losing systems would decrease drastically from the fourth year onwards. Less new releases resulted in less interested buyers, but that's not going to be the case this gen, hence we'll see sales trends that don't match previous generations.

True. But that should imply a sales pattern *like* a leading console but with smaller numbers. The norm is to peak on the third full year, which is exactly what the PS3 has done unless it somehow peaks this year or next. Both PS3 and 360 should have a good tail after they peak, PS3 moreso due to being perceived as the higher value console, because they fill a purpose that the Wii does not.

None of that implies we should see continual growth until the fifth year or beyond.

"one unless it somehow peaks this year or next."

Ps3 is already up nearly 30%

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 04th Jan 2009 to 28th Feb 2009:

 

Console PS3
Total
1,255,521

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 03rd Jan 2010 to 27th Feb 2010:

 

Console PS3
Total
1,669,912

or were you talking about full years from launch?

Because starting last November, ps3 is in it's fourth year. And already up like 100%

Thats great, but this is comparing the $400 PS3 of early 2009 to the $300 PS3 of early 2010.  Come September those number will really change and the YTD numbers will stop trending upward just like the 360 did the previous year.  January and February 2009 the 360 was up on 2008 by 500,000 units.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

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saicho said:
Gilgamesh said:

I suppose it can happen, it's not impossible.

2006: 1.2 million

2007: 7.6 million

2008: 9.6 million

2009: 12.7 million

2010: 15 million

2011: 17 million

2012: 15 million

2013: 12 million

2014: 10 million

2015: 8 million

2016: 5 million

Total: 113 million, seems somewhat reasonable, we'll likely see the PS3 at $199 or less in 2011. Along with big exclusives and constant updates, new features, and peripherals it should keep selling at a good constant pace.

As for the Wii, the only reason it'd stop selling at 103 million, is either a new console (HD) in order to try to steal some 3rd party devs from X360 and PS3. Or it'll actually slow down and sell worst and worst from now on, by the looks of it the Wii may have already peaked.

Based on what you prjected, PS3 needs an extra 2 mil per year in order to meet the projection from SACHD. Highly unlikely...

I'm just saying IMO that's the best case senario for the PS3 which looks somewhat reasonable. It's off by 14 million from SACHD prediction so it's not as bad as everyone here is making out to be.

@Demotruk, What are you talking about a $299 PS3 didn't turn things around? The PS3 is up by quite a bit from last years numbers it went from selling 100K a week on average to 200K a week, in fact I think the PS3 is the only console up YOY. It turned things around big time, and that's not even the big price point. Usually 70% of a consoles sales happens when it's priced at $199 or less.



thx1139 said:
theprof00 said:
Demotruk said:
RolStoppable said:
@Demotruk

Makes sense. But one factor that makes growth for the PS3 possible is third party support. Historically support for losing systems would decrease drastically from the fourth year onwards. Less new releases resulted in less interested buyers, but that's not going to be the case this gen, hence we'll see sales trends that don't match previous generations.

True. But that should imply a sales pattern *like* a leading console but with smaller numbers. The norm is to peak on the third full year, which is exactly what the PS3 has done unless it somehow peaks this year or next. Both PS3 and 360 should have a good tail after they peak, PS3 moreso due to being perceived as the higher value console, because they fill a purpose that the Wii does not.

None of that implies we should see continual growth until the fifth year or beyond.

"one unless it somehow peaks this year or next."

Ps3 is already up nearly 30%

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 04th Jan 2009 to 28th Feb 2009:

 

Console PS3
Total
1,255,521

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 03rd Jan 2010 to 27th Feb 2010:

 

Console PS3
Total
1,669,912

or were you talking about full years from launch?

Because starting last November, ps3 is in it's fourth year. And already up like 100%

Thats great, but this is comparing the $400 PS3 of early 2009 to the $300 PS3 of early 2010.  Come September those number will really change and the YTD numbers will stop trending upward just like the 360 did the previous year.  January and February 2009 the 360 was up on 2008 by 500,000 units.

Ok, so you think that the numbers will go down?

Also, it doesn't matter which way you spin it, the slim's sales fall in ps3's 4th year. If you want to start with full years or calendar years. If you count calendar years, 2009 was ps3s fourth year, and if you count full years from release, nov 2009 was the start of the fourth year. Calendar wise, ps3s fourth year is it's peak (so far). Release wise, ps3 is already 2.5M over it's 3rd year.



So exactly 127m. Pretty precise forcasting. I'll go with 108,482,667. Just so many factors that could affect this. Release of Wii HD and M$'s next offering, the economy and umm... sunspots.



theprof00 said:
Demotruk said:
Wii was up this time last year too.

PS3 should be up for the first half of the year, but I think it'll start making losses at the end of the year as MS steals some thunder and they face a tougher comparison with a stronger latter half of last year.

The amount that they've sold and are trending already going into FF13, GoW3, GT5 and Arc will ensure that it tops last year in sales. They are up 30%, nearly 500k units and are now trending 10-12% higher than last year week over week, not including the big hits coming out in just a short time. By September, they will be up on last year by a few million, which means that even if their christmas decreases by an entire third, they will still beat last year.

God of War will certainly help keep sales up in the near term, but have you noticed that following that there's a four month game drought coming up for PS3 (and 360)? The largest game between then and September look to be Prince of Persia and Lost Planet 2, which are multiplats and not really very big. Unless there's a surprise hit in the summer it's the first drought the HD twins have had since their launch periods. For comparison, the same period last year had Batman: AA, Prototype and Infamous (and the 360 had Gears of War 2). Hence I am not expecting just week sales at Christmas, but for the whole latter half of the year, especially as I think MS will drop the price earlier than Sony.



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Arius Dion said:
Buzzi said:
We know the PS3 will be on markets for more years than Wii, that's pretty sure...but we don't know how it will sell after Wii2's launch...do they really think that if Wii 2 launches in 2012, with Wii Sports 3, NSMBW 2, Mario Kart Wii 2 and some other great games it won't become immediately the market leader? And if it is as powerful as a PS3 (quite possible, in 2012 at 250$ it would make profits from the beginning) why should customers buy a PS3 (considering the games which expand the audience are being published now, so in the next years the sales will be caused more by existing games than new ones) ? Wii eill sell over 100m before the new console launch, but then it son't stop selling, likely topping 110-120m. The PS3 I think will struggle to sell more than 90m LTD.

I don't think we know that at all. That's like saying back during the N64/PS1 era that: We know the N64 will be on the markets for more years than the PS1. Tech doesn't determine how long a product is on the market..the market (consumers) do. No third place console has lingered on the market after its successor is released, and no market leading console has ever puttered out after its successor has been released.

As for prof..If PS3 is only up 30% after the 100$ price cut/redesign compared to last year when sales were nothing to write home about, that's not to reassuring that PS3 will hit this mythical number.

But PS3 is starting selling now, and Sony still have to make profit on it...they won't cut it when the tecnology is extremely advanced (someone even says Wii 2 will not reach this power) and can sell a lot. But I think PS3 will sell well before the next generation, and then decline sharply...15-16m in these years is likely, for 2012-2013 is way difficult IMO.



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