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theprof00 on 23 February 2010
milkyjoe said:
theprof00 said:
Demotruk said:
theprof00 said:
You know what the problem here is?
You guys are blaming a reviewer for not tailoring a review to all demographics.
Reviews are for gamers. That is their demographic. I mean gamer not in the wii fan-endorsed sense of the word as "person who plays a game", but in the traditional sense. Someone who buys games, memorizes the various aspects, subscribes to magazines or goes to websites to look up upcoming releases. Someone who would answer "what do you do for fun" with "I play video games".

Those people are who most reviews are meant for. That score is perfectly matched to meet the tastes of that demographic. Sure it seems unfair, and maybe you think that they are "not judging the game for what it is", but that is an illogical argument. If they did that, review sites and mags would lose so many readers for giving a game like just dance the same score as Halo, or Gears. In theory, Just Dance should have that kind of score because a lot of people like it and consider it great quality. In practice, it would just lead a lot of gamers into buying games that will not meet their criteria of quality.

This is the problem with the review system. It isn't some unfair bias. It's the demographic. The review system has been tailored to the demographic because the demographic is what supports it. That is why it has always been said, "find some reviewers who share similar tastes and stick with their opinions and recommendations".

And sorry. Sorry that metacritic will not work for wii games (in general). Sorry that a big gamer site will not favorably rate a casual or wii game (in general). Stick with the reviewers you agree with, or start your own Wiicritic meta-analysis to get scores which match the fanbase. As such, it doesn't quite exist outside of teen magazines or cosmo. But hey, where there's a need, there's a niche. Go out and create something, you wily entrepreneur you.

Go take a look at the traffic to the big sites like Gamespot and IGN and tell us again that they should be tailoring to their existing customers.

Yeah, they can continue to marginalize potential customers outside their base, but it's not a clever strategy.

The only solution to this problem is to separate the site into two areas. You guys talk like it's an easy thing to do. Just review everything based on different users. But there is a tricky line here. There is a significant purchase involved in making a recommendation. You go telling Halo guys that Just Dance has the same score and quality, and there will be a shitstorm. You don't understand the effects of what you are asking for. They are separate demographics plain and simple.

It's like wing a restaurant reviewer and saying, Johnny Chao's Golden Garden is a 10. Sure it's really unhealthy and everything is fried and greasy, but some people like that. On the other hand Lucky Wah is also a 10, but they serve a higher quality food, which other people like. In that kind of world where you interchange the demographic and blend them together, you have all 10 with no reason to score anything less other than speediness of delivery and price. It's not viable.

On the food point... imagine you are a reviewer, and you have a nut allergy. You go to a restaurant and get served nut roast. You give them a poor review because you are allergic to nuts. It may have been a great nut roast, but you'll never appreciate it for what it is because of that allergy.

Just Dance is a nut, and the reviewers are allergic to it.

EDIT: One other thing, on the talk of movie reviews in other posts, I remember reading a review for one of the big action movies last summer (I forget which one) in one of the Sunday newspapers. The paper had sent a middle aged woman who admitted to hating such movies with a passion at the start of the review, and as such she gave it a low score. That is no different to what is happening here.

I disagree. I think it is the other way around. It is like someone watching a movie for the first time, something like The Last Emperor or Doctor Zhivago, and saying wow, I want to see more of that! And then looking for movie reviews in Teen Scene magazine.



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PhalanxCO on 23 February 2010
psrock said:
PhalanxCO said:
psrock said:
Pyro as Bill said:
psrock said:
Pyro as Bill said:
psrock said:
Pyro as Bill said:
@psrock

I think you misunderstand what vaio is getting at. Imagine Teenage Tom wants a lion for his birthday. He doesn't get a lion he gets a tiger instead. It's not a lion but it's a good substitute. Tom's happy with his tiger. Little Lucy wants a pony and she gets a pony. She would have been happy with a horse but her parents delivered on their promise and Lucy gets exactly what she wanted.

Lucy's parents delivered better than Tom's. Is a pony better than a tiger? Who cares?

What?

I am not a big fan of MW2, but seriously the game is way beyond and has delivered way more than just dance could ever dream of. If you want a better example use The Conduit, that game was advertise has the big shooter, the crazy graphics and great multiplayer which it failed to deliver.

Once again, fun cannot be measured, it vary person to person. Stop bringing it up as excuse for a game badly reviewed but bought by the casual market.

For you maybe, for someone who wants a dancing game it doesn't.

I think my niece would tell you that Just Dance has delivered way more than MW2.

 

I would not expect someone who needs a dancing game to understand the value of MW2.

Can't blame a 9yr old girl for not understanding why someone would spend hours sitting in front of a TV twiddling their thumbs shouting at internet people. For some bizarre reason she prefers to dance with her real life friends instead. Strange.

Yet, you want me to understand why a grown man would stay home on a saturday to play a dancing game when they can go out to club and actually dance with a real girl and not not their mother with better music too. I just don't understand that kind of fun.

No, he's asking you to understand that someone else might value this game just as much as you value MW2.

no, they are not the same value. I can understand people liking the game over ever even playing MW2, but in terms of value, not in the same league.

Dude, no offense... but you don't define value for everyone.  Each consumer defines value for themselves. 



theprof00 on 23 February 2010
Demotruk said:
Nobody said they were the same people. However, following the strategy of appealing to your base, which is what they've been doing, is preventing them from growing because that base is shrinking/leaving.

the base is shrinking because of the variety. THere are litereally hundreds of such sites now, ours being one of them. Plus, IGN is kind of slow and takes a while to navigate. At this juncture they have two strategies: change their structure and appeal to larger base, or continue on their current base while increasing the value of their site by offering contests and the like.

They haven't been losing readers because of their views, but because they are no longer the go-to site. Back in the day, there were like 2 big sites. Now there are a dozen, and a hundred more niche sites.



Barozi on 23 February 2010
rubido said:
Barozi said:
well consumers can buy whatever they like.
But big sales doesn't automatically equal quality.

Personally it's another game, where I hold my head in shame and ask myself what happened to gaming...
sad sad sad

What is happening to gaming? Maybe just offering something to people other than you? Is that so bad? Really?

first off all way to many replies to my post (which I expected)

What's happening to gaming is that games which are made in approx. 2 months dev time sell buttloads without having to be especially good, while on the other hands lots of high quality games barely make a profit, if at all.

and yes I blame the Wii for it. (and the consumers)

Oh and if Natal and Arc lead to the same result, I'll be ashamed of them as well obviously.

With this statement I'm outta here. Have a nice thread.



Demotruk on 23 February 2010

Traffic is down for all the main video game sites these days, and much more than by the amount the smaller ones like this have grown. The whole video game media is in trouble.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

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psrock on 23 February 2010
PhalanxCO said:
psrock said:
PhalanxCO said:
psrock said:
Pyro as Bill said:
psrock said:
Pyro as Bill said:
psrock said:
Pyro as Bill said:
@psrock

I think you misunderstand what vaio is getting at. Imagine Teenage Tom wants a lion for his birthday. He doesn't get a lion he gets a tiger instead. It's not a lion but it's a good substitute. Tom's happy with his tiger. Little Lucy wants a pony and she gets a pony. She would have been happy with a horse but her parents delivered on their promise and Lucy gets exactly what she wanted.

Lucy's parents delivered better than Tom's. Is a pony better than a tiger? Who cares?

What?

I am not a big fan of MW2, but seriously the game is way beyond and has delivered way more than just dance could ever dream of. If you want a better example use The Conduit, that game was advertise has the big shooter, the crazy graphics and great multiplayer which it failed to deliver.

Once again, fun cannot be measured, it vary person to person. Stop bringing it up as excuse for a game badly reviewed but bought by the casual market.

For you maybe, for someone who wants a dancing game it doesn't.

I think my niece would tell you that Just Dance has delivered way more than MW2.

 

I would not expect someone who needs a dancing game to understand the value of MW2.

Can't blame a 9yr old girl for not understanding why someone would spend hours sitting in front of a TV twiddling their thumbs shouting at internet people. For some bizarre reason she prefers to dance with her real life friends instead. Strange.

Yet, you want me to understand why a grown man would stay home on a saturday to play a dancing game when they can go out to club and actually dance with a real girl and not not their mother with better music too. I just don't understand that kind of fun.

No, he's asking you to understand that someone else might value this game just as much as you value MW2.

no, they are not the same value. I can understand people liking the game over ever even playing MW2, but in terms of value, not in the same league.

Dude, no offense... but you don't define fun for everyone.  Each consumer defines fun for themselves. 

agree



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PhalanxCO on 23 February 2010
Barozi said:
rubido said:
Barozi said:
well consumers can buy whatever they like.
But big sales doesn't automatically equal quality.

Personally it's another game, where I hold my head in shame and ask myself what happened to gaming...
sad sad sad

What is happening to gaming? Maybe just offering something to people other than you? Is that so bad? Really?

first off all way to many replies to my post (which I expected)

What's happening to gaming is that games which are made in approx. 2 months dev time sell buttloads without having to be especially good, while on the other hands lots of high quality games barely make a profit, if at all.

and yes I blame the Wii for it. (and the consumers)

Oh and if Natal and Arc lead to the same result, I'll be ashamed of them as well obviously.

With this statement I'm outta here. Have a nice thread.

That I can respect.  But we don't really know how much time was spent making this game.



psrock on 23 February 2010
Demotruk said:
Traffic is down for all the main video game sites these days, and much more than by the amount the smaller ones like this have grown. The whole video game media is in trouble.

There are more sites now, better ones too. This site has grown, guess which fanbase has grown the most here?

Go check out giantbomb, it's getting better everyday.



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Demotruk on 23 February 2010
psrock said:
Demotruk said:
Traffic is down for all the main video game sites these days, and much more than by the amount the smaller ones like this have grown. The whole video game media is in trouble.

There are more sites now, better ones too. This site has grown, guess which fanbase has grown the most here?

Go check out giantbomb, it's getting better everyday.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/giantbomb.com

Stick vgchartz, ign, gamespot, kotaku etc. in for comparison.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

psrock on 23 February 2010
Demotruk said:
psrock said:
Demotruk said:
Traffic is down for all the main video game sites these days, and much more than by the amount the smaller ones like this have grown. The whole video game media is in trouble.

There are more sites now, better ones too. This site has grown, guess which fanbase has grown the most here?

Go check out giantbomb, it's getting better everyday.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/giantbomb.com

Stick vgchartz, ign, gamespot, kotaku etc. in for comparison.

What am I looking for?

IGN is up 15% in the last 3 months, was that you wanted me to see?



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