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Do you accept Evolution? Why or Why not

Yes 91 82.73%
 
No 4 3.64%
 
No, but accept Microevolution 12 10.91%
 
Not sure 3 2.73%
 
Total:110

there is a lot of evidence so, yes.



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This is almost a non-issue.
There's a lot of evidence out there, the information is available to anyone who seeks it. There's paleothological traces that can trace root-trees of comparison between species, there's archeological evidence to substain the evolution of the human race since we came out of the trees in the Australo

This is almost a non-issue.

 

There's a lot of evidence out there, the information is available to anyone who seeks it. There's paleothological traces that can trace root-trees of comparison between species, there's antropological evidence to substain the evolution of the human race since we were simple hominidis (Ardipithecus ramidus / Australopithecus Anamensis) to when the Homo sub-genus started evolving, circa 2M years ago (Homo Rudolfensis).

But the most scientifical and accurate proof that exists today is the mRNA and Mitochondrial DNA comparison between species. We can trace related genome sequences between species and relay genetic information between current living species and those that have dissapeared, millions of years ago (Mitochondrial DNA found in preserved bone marrow can resist for hundreds of millions of years).

So yeah, I accept evolution, not as a theory, but as a Fact. 

 



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RockSmith372 said:
toastboy44562 said:
highwaystar101 said:
toastboy44562 said:
yes i do, that is why whales have hip bones :p

And lungs, back legs, mammalian brain, etc...

yes, there is a lot of evidence that they were once land dwellers :p

I went to the Smithsonian Natural History Museum and they had a room full of intermediate fossils between whales and their land mammal ancestors.

Agreed, Cetacean evolution is more than well documented. In fact one could even argue that whales today are the perfect example of the transitional species creationists always ask evidence for; they were clearly once land mammals and are still adapting to their relatively new water based environment. And the transition from land to water is well documented with fossil and DNA evidence.

Although in the same breath one could also say that we are all transitional species in much the same way, it's just that our adaptation to new environments is not as pronounced.



bimmylee said:

Uggghh. The "do you believe in evolution" argument often gets messy and convoluted. So here's what I believe:

Humans have always been a separate, distinct, intellectually-superior species from all other living things. Humans are not a result of another lesser species and never have been. The human that is alive today is virtually the same as the very first human that ever lived.

"But bimmy, don't be an idiot. Don't you believe in any sort of evolution at all?" Of course. However, I believe that whatever aspects of evolution that conflict with the aforementioned position are entirely false. Anything outside of this, however, is secondary, and I am generally open to discussing the possibilities.

I'll just state my view on this.

I disagree that we are superior to other species at all if I'm honest. If aliens were to come to Earth to study life, they would see that physiologically we're not all that dissimilar to a chimpanzee. We have 4 limbs, we have two eyes, two ears, the same internal organs and (relative to the vastly superior intellectual species studying us) similar functioning brains. On a genetic level you would be surprised how much information we share with a chimpanzee.

Similarly, we would accept that whales are related to the hippopotamus. Whales are as intellectually superior to the hippopotamus as man is to chimpanzees; or it would likely appear as such to an exo biologist form another planet lol.

I think it is more than plausible that at some point we shared a common ancestor. To me humans are just "apes that got lucky".



bimmylee said:
Kantor said:
bimmylee said:

Uggghh. The "do you believe in evolution" argument often gets messy and convoluted. So here's what I believe:

Humans have always been a separate, distinct, intellectually-superior species from all other living things. Humans are not a result of another lesser species and never have been. The human that is alive today is virtually the same as the very first human that ever lived.

"But bimmy, don't be an idiot. Don't you believe in any sort of evolution at all?" Of course. However, I believe that whatever aspects of evolution that conflict with the aforementioned position are entirely false. Anything outside of this, however, is secondary, and I am generally open to discussing the possibilities.

 

And I would LOVE to talk about the abortion issue.

And where were these original humans from? They sprang out of the mud?

Humans have always been more intelligent than other species, yes (perhaps not dolphins), but you can't deny that an average human now is smarter than the average human 100 years ago, let alone 4 million.

"Where did these original humans come from?" An excellent question. Clearly, the theist nuances of my first post were too subtle. :)

 

Interestingly, I would agree with you in that the overall technological intelligence of the human race has varied from time to time; I believe that, due to past catastrophic natural disasters (on the global scale), the human race has had to technologically "start from scratch" at least once, if not twice or more. Evidence for this? Easter Island. Stonehenge. The Great Pyramids. Mankind used to have amazing (possibly superior) methods of construction that are now unknown to us.

 

And yes, I once heard a dolphin giving a lecture to other young dolphins on the topic of metallurgy. Very smart creatures indeed.

That's fair enough I suppose, but I would still say that the resemblance between monkeys and humans is too uncanny for us not to be derived from them. I am actually something of a theist, but I believe that "God" created the laws of physics and then left the universe alone.

As for ancient technologies, I'm one of those crazy people who believes that extra-terrestrials had something to do with it. I find it difficult to believe that people who hadn't considered something as "basic" as paper could build the Great Pyramids.

As for dolphins, they are the only other species that have sex for pleasure. But they don't have birth control, so dolphin teen pregnancy rates are skyrocketing.



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No, when I look at the world and see everything our world has to offer, I just have a hard time fathoming that the millions of different species of plant life and animal life all derived from evolution. When I look at something as simple as fruit, I know its purpose (using animals to spread its seeds), I just can't envision the point when fruit was first created. For me, it's similar to the chicken and the egg paradox. The way that life on planet earth has specialized in the way it has is unbelievable to me, and the fact that so many evolutionary steps are completely missing doesn't help me change my mind. It's hard to believe in macroevolution when intermediate points haven't been discovered.

 

Another reason I probably don't accept it is my theological background, you can call it willful disbelief if you like. For me, it's easier to believe in Intelligent Design than evolution, even though many aspects of the Theory of Evolution have been proven.



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I accept it as fact basically, I just think that things are the way they are through chance. I mean when you think of how vast the universe is, this all happening by chance doesn't seem too strange.



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Yes. But I'm not going to debate it on here again because unlike climate change, origin of the universe, consciousness, free will or half a dozen other scientific hot topics that have been debated here this one science has closed the book on - at least as far as science can.

Until some piece of overwhelmingly contradictory evidence crops up (and no, it hasn't so far) evolution is accepted as scientific theory and fact.



My science background makes it impossible not to accept evolution.



I was brought up as a catholic and i was always taught to beleive in evoloution ,because adam and eve was just a way of explaining the creation of earth.I do find very sad however that in my class,theres quite a few kids who think that evoloution is "stupid" and "doesnt make sense".Needless to say,all of these kids had religous parents and so were,unfourtunatly, brainwashed at a young age.Thankfully now i am free of the whole "religon" mess and have been converted by Richard Dawkins. :)



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