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Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:

@Carl: You've claimed you would vote for the BNP over Labour because they can run the country better. Well I think that's just plain wrong, I'm afraid. Labour are far more qualified to run the country than the BNP. Labour have well thought out policies for all aspects of running the country (Like it or not, they do). Have you ever read the BNP's policies, they're laughable because they are so ill thought out.

The reason? The BNP are a one trick pony, all they care about is immigration. If they came to power, that would be their primary concern. It's the only thing they have put any thought into. (And to be honest, whilst I agree that immigration is a problem in Britain, I think the BNP's approach is not sensible at all, it would bankrupt us, but that's just my personal opinion.)

All of the BNP's policies are neglected because they are so focused on one. In fact the BNP are so focused on immigration that it actually forms the basis of many of their other policies where it shouldn't; such as healthcare, where they claim that the NHS staff is populated by immigrants and that the immigrant workers should be kicked out of the NHS (which is extremely counter productive).

Labour on the other hand are not a one trick pony, they put as much thought and effort into each of their policies as the BNP put into their immigration policy. Are they perfect? No, not by a long shot. But they would run the country considerably better than the BNP ever could.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The main problem with the BNP is not that they are racist, but that they are incompetent in just about every area.

Of course they are, they have the experience and are a much, much bigger party. Although they haven't done a good job at all IMO...

I read a few of the stuff last night before i went to bed, a few of them have been posted here. And i have to say, like Tyrannical, i liked quite a bit of what i saw. Would it work? You say it wouldn't... But IMO it can't be much worse than it is now.

Believe it or not, it can get a lot worse than it is now. In fact things run pretty well in Britain compared to most countries. Labour have done a decent job, it's the wars and the recession that have lost them respect in recent years. But the Schools still run, Hospitals are still open and firemen still put out fires.

I don't think the BNP has what it takes to keep the country running. They would destroy us with incompetence. I would love to see how well their "thriving" economy would work when they cut ties with the EU, stop importing from countries with cheap labour and kick foreign businesses out of Britain. Labour certainly aren't that foolish.

What the BNP do is pander to the masses, with wishy washy policies that people want to hear. When I read through their policies even I think that in an ideal world I would like "more policemen on the street" like they do, but then again anyone would. Do they plan to do it? No. this is clear from how many of their policies conflict with each other and how high they set their goals. Ill thought out.

The reason you liked the BNP policies is because they are generic policies that are basically there because people want to read that kind of stuff, not because the BNP think it's the right thing to do.

I think under the BNP the country would be far worse off than Labour, and a few generic, wishy washy, policies that appeal to 95% of the population will not make me think differently.



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highwaystar101 said:
Carl2291 said:

Of course they are, they have the experience and are a much, much bigger party. Although they haven't done a good job at all IMO...

I read a few of the stuff last night before i went to bed, a few of them have been posted here. And i have to say, like Tyrannical, i liked quite a bit of what i saw. Would it work? You say it wouldn't... But IMO it can't be much worse than it is now.

Believe it or not, it can get a lot worse than it is now. In fact things run pretty well in Britain compared to most countries. Labour have done a decent job, it's the wars and the recession that have lost them respect in recent years. But the Schools still run, Hospitals are still open and firemen still put out fires.

I don't think the BNP has what it takes to keep the country running. They would destroy us with incompetence. I would love to see how well their "thriving" economy would work when they cut ties with the EU, stop importing from countries with cheap labour and kick foreign businesses out of Britain. Labour certainly aren't that foolish.

What the BNP do is pander to the masses, with wishy washy policies that people want to hear. When I read through their policies even I think that in an ideal world I would like "more policemen on the street" like they do, but then again anyone would. Do they plan to do it? No. this is clear from how many of their policies conflict with each other and how high they set their goals. Ill thought out.

The reason you liked the BNP policies is because they are generic policies that are basically there because people want to read that kind of stuff, not because the BNP think it's the right thing to do.

I think under the BNP the country would be far worse off than Labour, and a few generic, wishy washy, policies that appeal to 95% of the population will not make me think differently.

Possibly. I can't see any party screwing up THAT bad though.

Schools still run, yes. Although they could be a lot better. Hospitals are still open, but are actually terribly run. There will always be Firemen...

Possibly. But then again... They might do an excellent job if they stood by at least a majority of the policies they have. But as i said they lack the experience so things wouldnt all be "perfect".

How do you know they don't plan to do it? It's unfair saying that they are lieing just because you don't agree with the party itself. If they say they will do something, or want something, you have no reason to say they don't without proof. How do you know they wont for example, pull the troops out of the Middle East, or even get more Police back on the streets?



                            

I have been speaking a lot about their non-immigration policies. I would just like to state where I am on the BNP's immigration policy.

Whilst I think that immigration into the UK is a problem, I also think that the BNP approach it too ferociously. I don't think they would have as many enemies if their policy wasn't just "Kick them all out and don't let anyone else in".

If it were the BNP's policy to accept immigrants based on what value they can add to the UK and to retain immigrants that are valuable members of society; a more stringent yet sensible approach to tackle immigration than our current open door system, then I think people would be less hostile towards them, like they are with UKIP.

But they don't, they take" the kick everyone out and don't let anyone in" approach, and the methods they choose to do that (via heavily subsidising emigration and promoting isolationism) just plain don't work and piss people off in the process.



highwaystar101 said:
I have been speaking a lot about their non-immigration policies. I would just like to state where I am on the BNP's immigration policy.

Whilst I think that immigration into the UK is a problem, I also think that the BNP approach it too ferociously. I don't think they would have as many enemies if their policy wasn't just "Kick them all out and don't let anyone else in".

If it were the BNP's policy to accept immigrants based on what value they can add to the UK and to retain immigrants that are valuable members of society; a more stringent yet sensible approach to tackle immigration than our current open door system, then I think people would be less hostile towards them, like they are with UKIP.

But they don't, they take" the kick everyone out and don't let anyone in" approach, and the methods they choose to do that (via heavily subsidising emigration and promoting isolationism) just plain don't work and piss people off in the process.

Wouldn't that be the "Exceptional cases" thing?



                            

Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:
I have been speaking a lot about their non-immigration policies. I would just like to state where I am on the BNP's immigration policy.

Whilst I think that immigration into the UK is a problem, I also think that the BNP approach it too ferociously. I don't think they would have as many enemies if their policy wasn't just "Kick them all out and don't let anyone else in".

If it were the BNP's policy to accept immigrants based on what value they can add to the UK and to retain immigrants that are valuable members of society; a more stringent yet sensible approach to tackle immigration than our current open door system, then I think people would be less hostile towards them, like they are with UKIP.

But they don't, they take" the kick everyone out and don't let anyone in" approach, and the methods they choose to do that (via heavily subsidising emigration and promoting isolationism) just plain don't work and piss people off in the process.

Wouldn't that be the "Exceptional cases" thing?

It shouldn't have to be "exceptional". If somebody is contributing to the country, then they should be allowed to stay. If you're going to deport so-called "immigrants" who don't contribute to society, how about deporting White Britons who don't contribute to society?



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Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:

@Carl: You've claimed you would vote for the BNP over Labour because they can run the country better. Well I think that's just plain wrong, I'm afraid. Labour are far more qualified to run the country than the BNP. Labour have well thought out policies for all aspects of running the country (Like it or not, they do). Have you ever read the BNP's policies, they're laughable because they are so ill thought out.

The reason? The BNP are a one trick pony, all they care about is immigration. If they came to power, that would be their primary concern. It's the only thing they have put any thought into. (And to be honest, whilst I agree that immigration is a problem in Britain, I think the BNP's approach is not sensible at all, it would bankrupt us, but that's just my personal opinion.)

All of the BNP's policies are neglected because they are so focused on one. In fact the BNP are so focused on immigration that it actually forms the basis of many of their other policies where it shouldn't; such as healthcare, where they claim that the NHS staff is populated by immigrants and that the immigrant workers should be kicked out of the NHS (which is extremely counter productive).

Labour on the other hand are not a one trick pony, they put as much thought and effort into each of their policies as the BNP put into their immigration policy. Are they perfect? No, not by a long shot. But they would run the country considerably better than the BNP ever could.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The main problem with the BNP is not that they are racist, but that they are incompetent in just about every area.

Of course they are, they have the experience and are a much, much bigger party. Although they haven't done a good job at all IMO...

I read a few of the stuff last night before i went to bed, a few of them have been posted here. And i have to say, like Tyrannical, i liked quite a bit of what i saw. Would it work? You say it wouldn't... But IMO it can't be much worse than it is now.

It could get a whole lot worse, they're white supremicists.

Seen as you're a white straight british male, maybe that's why you don't care, though you should take a look around you, will your family and friends get off the same as you will?



 

Kantor said:
Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:
I have been speaking a lot about their non-immigration policies. I would just like to state where I am on the BNP's immigration policy.

Whilst I think that immigration into the UK is a problem, I also think that the BNP approach it too ferociously. I don't think they would have as many enemies if their policy wasn't just "Kick them all out and don't let anyone else in".

If it were the BNP's policy to accept immigrants based on what value they can add to the UK and to retain immigrants that are valuable members of society; a more stringent yet sensible approach to tackle immigration than our current open door system, then I think people would be less hostile towards them, like they are with UKIP.

But they don't, they take" the kick everyone out and don't let anyone in" approach, and the methods they choose to do that (via heavily subsidising emigration and promoting isolationism) just plain don't work and piss people off in the process.

Wouldn't that be the "Exceptional cases" thing?

It shouldn't have to be "exceptional". If somebody is contributing to the country, then they should be allowed to stay. If you're going to deport so-called "immigrants" who don't contribute to society, how about deporting White Britons who don't contribute to society?

Deport them back to... Britain?



                            

Carl2291 said:
Kantor said:
Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:
I have been speaking a lot about their non-immigration policies. I would just like to state where I am on the BNP's immigration policy.

Whilst I think that immigration into the UK is a problem, I also think that the BNP approach it too ferociously. I don't think they would have as many enemies if their policy wasn't just "Kick them all out and don't let anyone else in".

If it were the BNP's policy to accept immigrants based on what value they can add to the UK and to retain immigrants that are valuable members of society; a more stringent yet sensible approach to tackle immigration than our current open door system, then I think people would be less hostile towards them, like they are with UKIP.

But they don't, they take" the kick everyone out and don't let anyone in" approach, and the methods they choose to do that (via heavily subsidising emigration and promoting isolationism) just plain don't work and piss people off in the process.

Wouldn't that be the "Exceptional cases" thing?

It shouldn't have to be "exceptional". If somebody is contributing to the country, then they should be allowed to stay. If you're going to deport so-called "immigrants" who don't contribute to society, how about deporting White Britons who don't contribute to society?

Deport them back to... Britain?

Deport them to Ireland.

I kid, I kid.



(Former) Lead Moderator and (Eternal) VGC Detective

Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Carl2291 said:

Of course they are, they have the experience and are a much, much bigger party. Although they haven't done a good job at all IMO...

I read a few of the stuff last night before i went to bed, a few of them have been posted here. And i have to say, like Tyrannical, i liked quite a bit of what i saw. Would it work? You say it wouldn't... But IMO it can't be much worse than it is now.

Believe it or not, it can get a lot worse than it is now. In fact things run pretty well in Britain compared to most countries. Labour have done a decent job, it's the wars and the recession that have lost them respect in recent years. But the Schools still run, Hospitals are still open and firemen still put out fires.

I don't think the BNP has what it takes to keep the country running. They would destroy us with incompetence. I would love to see how well their "thriving" economy would work when they cut ties with the EU, stop importing from countries with cheap labour and kick foreign businesses out of Britain. Labour certainly aren't that foolish.

What the BNP do is pander to the masses, with wishy washy policies that people want to hear. When I read through their policies even I think that in an ideal world I would like "more policemen on the street" like they do, but then again anyone would. Do they plan to do it? No. this is clear from how many of their policies conflict with each other and how high they set their goals. Ill thought out.

The reason you liked the BNP policies is because they are generic policies that are basically there because people want to read that kind of stuff, not because the BNP think it's the right thing to do.

I think under the BNP the country would be far worse off than Labour, and a few generic, wishy washy, policies that appeal to 95% of the population will not make me think differently.

Possibly. I can't see any party screwing up THAT bad though.

Schools still run, yes. Although they could be a lot better. Hospitals are still open, but are actually terribly run. There will always be Firemen...

Possibly. But then again... They might do an excellent job if they stood by at least a majority of the policies they have. But as i said they lack the experience so things wouldnt all be "perfect".

How do you know they don't plan to do it? It's unfair saying that they are lieing just because you don't agree with the party itself. If they say they will do something, or want something, you have no reason to say they don't without proof. How do you know they wont for example, pull the troops out of the Middle East, or even get more Police back on the streets?

I'm not saying that they're lying because I don't agree with the party, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying they don't plan on carrying it through, their policies are just empty ear candy. Fair enough all politicians do it, but the BNP do it a lot, a lot more than most.

Let me put it this way. If I were running for prime minister and I told you that I was to put a policeman on every street corner, open more hospitals and schools and make them the best in the world, stop all crime full stop and keep the streets clean in every neighbourhood, would you vote for me?

If you were to vote for me based on those you would be a fool, I am in no way going to follow through on those. They are too unrealistic and to do one I would probably have to cancel all of the others. I'm just telling you what you want to hear. It's exactly what the BNP are doing in order to become more powerful.

All parties have empty promises like that, Labour, Conservatives, Lib dems. They all tell you what you want to hear. However, you can generally see some consistent thought pattern in their policies that show they have serious plans behind the ear candy. I didn't see this at all when reading the BNP's policies, I couldn't see a thought pattern outside of "Immigrants are the problem", which seemed to be the only part of their policies that were consistent. Most of what they said just switched seemingly at random.

They may well pull out of Afghanistan or put more police on the streets, but I don't think they would pull it off anywhere near as well as they would like you to think they would and they know it.

 



Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:
I have been speaking a lot about their non-immigration policies. I would just like to state where I am on the BNP's immigration policy.

Whilst I think that immigration into the UK is a problem, I also think that the BNP approach it too ferociously. I don't think they would have as many enemies if their policy wasn't just "Kick them all out and don't let anyone else in".

If it were the BNP's policy to accept immigrants based on what value they can add to the UK and to retain immigrants that are valuable members of society; a more stringent yet sensible approach to tackle immigration than our current open door system, then I think people would be less hostile towards them, like they are with UKIP.

But they don't, they take" the kick everyone out and don't let anyone in" approach, and the methods they choose to do that (via heavily subsidising emigration and promoting isolationism) just plain don't work and piss people off in the process.

Wouldn't that be the "Exceptional cases" thing?

Exceptional circumstances refers to immigration into Britain and judging by their track record it would only be for extreme cases. I think that the BNP want all people of foreign descent to be generously subsidised should they wish to emigrate (all will be paid to leave, and on a personal note I can see those that don't accept the package being forced to leave).