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Hiku said:
Chrkeller said:

Yep, hit the nail on the head.  FFVII has a huge amount of nostalgia and the game is getting a giant free pass from many.  Gameplay altering MTX is a shitty practice, plain and simple.  I don't care what game (or developer), I don't like it.    

Except people are ripping into this game any chance they get. In essentially every single thread since 2015.
And if Monolith remade the game with FF7R's fidelity and made it multiple parts, there would also be people cautiously optimistic about it, along with the ones constantly ripping on it.
Secondly, who is giving it a free pass?

Instead of highfiving comments that add nothing to the discussion and throwing shade at others, you could make a more constructive argument. And since you started one with me (the "essential" comment was clearly aimed at me), you have the opportunity.

Chrkeller said:

I also enjoy a mod telling me to be respectful, but yet is telling myself (and many others) that our opinions/feelings/thoughts are wrong.  Great stuff.  I wonder why so many people don't post much anymore.

I mean first and foremost, I don't have to convince somebody to agree with me in order to validate my opinion.  Last I checked I am entitled to my opinion.  Secondly, can't change a person's mind when their mind is already 100% made up.  

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You can agree or disagree in a respectful manner.
That's not saying that anyone's opinions are wrong any more than your initial statement was telling others that they are wrong.

When you make a statement, at least be prepared to explain your mindset.
That has nothing to do with changing your mind. Though if you're not even open to the possibility of learning something, then it may be because you react like this instead of answering. Lashing out for no reason, dodging questions and claiming that someone is trying to change their mind before even explaining their position is typical behavior of someone who realized they don't want to explain it. You made a strong statement about monetization of gameplay elements under any circumstance, but it looks like you didn't think that comment through. If that's incorrect, you're free to explain why, and I won't lash out unprovoked, dodge your questions or claim you're trying to change my mind.

And I wonder what's more effective at putting people off from posting?
Constructive arguments in a respectful manner, or making toxic drive-by comments?

And refrain from doing that, either of you. If you want to call someone out for something, either tag/quote them and/or do it in a constructive manner. Trying to rile people up with generalizations and miss-characterizations in drive-by posts is not ok.

I have thought it through, you simply don't like my opinion and won't stop asking for more justification, despite the fact I have justified my stance just fine.  MTX that affects gameplay (e.g. summon materia) is a slippery slope.  It allows the developer to adjust difficulty settings (either directly or with optional bosses) that will encourage having to pay to win.  I find that offensive as a gamer and especially as a parent.  I don't need my kids requesting candy bars so they can take down an optional boss.  A game should be balanced from day 1 after dropping $60.  Encouraging the purchase of MTX to alter gameplay is a giant no. 

And since we are discussing "constructive" posts, do you really think telling people (as a mod no less) that their posts are not well thought out is constructive?  Fact is you have done nothing but dismiss the opinions of others, based on nothing more than not aligning with your feelings.    

Zelda and Souls are my two favorite franchises.  All I know is if Nintendo starting selling heart containers separately or From starting selling summons separately, I would be pissed.  I wouldn't defend the practice.  

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And yes I would pay more than $60 for a top notch game.  In fact I did so all the time back on the SNES days with IV, VI, Mana, Evermore and Trigger.  Same with N64 titles.  MTX can go die, same with most DLC.  Just sell me a final product that is balanced at an appropriate price.  

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Anyone expected anything less than sell out from this?



Hmm, pie.

Defending one's position isn't the same as attacking somebody. I am defending my position. Any cheek is coming from the passive aggressive retorts. The innocent act is old and tired. Fact is you are going after my position asking for clarification after clarification after clarification. You do so "nicely" with a giant undertone of aggression. Again, the act is old. Every single one of your retorts comes across as "you shouldn't feel that way because x,y and z."  The comment about "not thinking it through" comes off as a backhanded jab at my intelligence.  As for being even more specific:

1) Yes I am against ALL forms of gameplay changing MTX. Including swords. Games should be developed with balance in mind, selling gameplay items that directly alter the difficulty is a giant NO from me. Including swords.  These types of MTX should NEVER be allowed.   

2) Yes, I view it as PURE GREED. Square knows people like collecting in their games, many like to have all items, especially summons. Putting items and summons behind a paywall is a MTX, plain and simple. The act is PURE GREED.

3) And yes, I have THOUGHT THIS THROUGH.  


Anything else need clarification?  My stance is clear.  What else do you want me to say?  

I love FFVII, one of my favorite games of all time.  I will probably pick up the Remake, but will do so via a sale.  I am not supporting game altering MTX greed.  I would take this stance with Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, From Software, etc, etc etc.  Square is no exception.  I don't support gameplay altering MTX products at full price.  Never have, never will.  Any game that is layered with MTX will be purchased on sale for half price, in hopes to send a clear message to developers instead of rolling over.   

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"What else should I do? You're posting your opinions on a public forum. If you're not prepared for anyone to challenge anything you say, or ask you to explain yourself, then why did you say that?"

There is a difference between being challenged versus being challenged 8 times on the exact same topic. I am against pay to win. It incentives struggling gamers to spend more money, when perhaps the game should have been balanced to begin with. It puts parents in a bad situation when their kids get stuck. It encourages developers not to worry about the balance of their game. I strongly believe MTX is a predatory act.  Etc, etc, etc. I really don't know what else you want me to say, that I haven't said many times over. But you can continue to repeat the same question over and over, I mean that is your choice.

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Also the whole "dodging" is yet another backhanded jab via your passive aggression act you are attempting to mask.  I haven't dodged anything.  My stance as been made clear many times over.  You simply don't like my opinion.  

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This really isn't something new FF8 had a contest in the US where you could win a Toyota Echo. FF9 in Japan had a cross promotion with Coca Cola and I'm sure there where other FF pomotions that I'm not aware off.



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Signalstar said:
The only thing I want to come of this is Cloud replacing his Buster Sword with a GIANT BUTTERFINGER.

Given AMEX in Eos, what I actually want is Butterfingers in FFVIIR as a consumable. 



Chris Hu said:
This really isn't something new FF8 had a contest in the US where you could win a Toyota Echo. FF9 in Japan had a cross promotion with Coca Cola and I'm sure there where other FF pomotions that I'm not aware off.

They didn't lock content out of the game unless you bought them.  Yeah, video game promotions with food are about as old the medium itself. Find a bunch of it on Atari. TMNT arcade NES came with a Pizza Hut coupon.  MTN Dew Promoted Halo 3. This is about MTX tho.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Leynos said:
Chris Hu said:
This really isn't something new FF8 had a contest in the US where you could win a Toyota Echo. FF9 in Japan had a cross promotion with Coca Cola and I'm sure there where other FF pomotions that I'm not aware off.

They didn't lock content out of the game unless you bought them.  Yeah, video game promotions with food are about as old the medium itself. Find a bunch of it on Atari. TMNT arcade NES came with a Pizza Hut coupon.  MTN Dew Promoted Halo 3. This is about MTX tho.

Those two promotions happened before games had DLC and MTX.  My guess is that Pac Man cereal was the first food and video game cross promotion.



Chris Hu said:
Leynos said:

They didn't lock content out of the game unless you bought them.  Yeah, video game promotions with food are about as old the medium itself. Find a bunch of it on Atari. TMNT arcade NES came with a Pizza Hut coupon.  MTN Dew Promoted Halo 3. This is about MTX tho.

Those two promotions happened before games had DLC and MTX.  My guess is that Pac Man cereal was the first food and video game cross promotion.

DLC existed then. Atari 2600 went online with GameLine. Famicom was online. SNES had DLC and streaming games with satellaview. Also online multiplayer with X-band. Games supported it like Street Fighter II. Same with Genesis. X-band then streaming games with SEGA Channel. N64 Had DLC for Mario Studio N64DD. Saturn was able to go online with SEGA Netlink. Dreamcast had DLC for games like PSO and Skies of Arcadia.  PS1 had PlayOnline tied in with Final Fantasy IX to play Tetra master online. DLC became more common in modern gaming but DLC and streaming isn't new. It's older than half the people on twitter and maybe this forum. I believe you are correct on Pac-Man. They called it Pac-Fever and was the first to get a kids cartoon.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

I hate these kind of promotional tactics. Buy our shit or else you won't be able to get some items in the game! Pre-order or else you won't get this summon materia. It preys on fear of missing out and it's shady as hell.



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