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curl-6 said:
BillyBlaze said:

Finally someone with the same issue! Since the Switch launched I have been amazed how nobody complained about the horrible ergonomics of the handheld mode. It almost made me think I was the only person in the world with big hands. It was also the only reason I did not pick up the Switch until last year.

Because of the hand cramps in handheld mode I eventually bought a Satisfye grip, which is not a cheap accessory, but makes the Switch very comfortable to play for me. I highly recommend it. Now I enjoy my Switch very much, but it's funny to think how some third party accessory producer had to fix Nintendo's design issues for me to be able to.

On topic: Because of the bad ergonomics I can't really love the Switch. I guess I have to pick the WiiU, because as much of nostalgia I have for my N64, I liked it mostly for its software.

I never got this whole hate towards the WiiU gamepad. I loved being able to play in bed, type in movie titles in the Amazon Prime app and create Mario Maker levels with the touch screen. Rayman Legends and Nintendoland were some of the most fun local multiplayer experiences for me because of the WiiU gamepad. I also liked the downward compatibility and support of the Wii Mote.

I have big hands, to the point where I find the PS1-PS3 dualshock uncomfortably small, and yeah the Joycons are smaller than I'd consider ideal, but I really don't find them that bad. Sub-optimal yes, but perfectly acceptable. I've never felt the urge to buy a Pro controller, and considering the way the system needs to function, I'm not sure making them much bigger would be viable. It's already large for a handheld.

Well, if you want to keep it inside your pocket or jacket it is large, yes. Too large, IMO. I never feel like playing it on the bus or subway anyway because most Switch games are not made for short playing sessions. When I bring it on long-distance journeys or visits to my family I keep it in my backpack and it does not matter that the Satisfye grip makes it a bit clunkier, but my hands thank me when I play it for hours.

I actually expected Nintendo to make alternative Joycons with more grip and bigger buttons. I mean, you have the unique functionality of exchanging inputs for different playing styles and they don't even make use of it. Probably because of "brand recognition" or some bs. They just don't care.



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curl-6 said:
BillyBlaze said:

Finally someone with the same issue! Since the Switch launched I have been amazed how nobody complained about the horrible ergonomics of the handheld mode. It almost made me think I was the only person in the world with big hands. It was also the only reason I did not pick up the Switch until last year.

Because of the hand cramps in handheld mode I eventually bought a Satisfye grip, which is not a cheap accessory, but makes the Switch very comfortable to play for me. I highly recommend it. Now I enjoy my Switch very much, but it's funny to think how some third party accessory producer had to fix Nintendo's design issues for me to be able to.

On topic: Because of the bad ergonomics I can't really love the Switch. I guess I have to pick the WiiU, because as much of nostalgia I have for my N64, I liked it mostly for its software.

I never got this whole hate towards the WiiU gamepad. I loved being able to play in bed, type in movie titles in the Amazon Prime app and create Mario Maker levels with the touch screen. Rayman Legends and Nintendoland were some of the most fun local multiplayer experiences for me because of the WiiU gamepad. I also liked the downward compatibility and support of the Wii Mote.

I have big hands, to the point where I find the PS1-PS3 dualshock uncomfortably small, and yeah the Joycons are smaller than I'd consider ideal, but I really don't find them that bad. Sub-optimal yes, but perfectly acceptable. I've never felt the urge to buy a Pro controller, and considering the way the system needs to function, I'm not sure making them much bigger would be viable. It's already large for a handheld.

Yeah. Not a fan of the Dualsock anyway, unless it's a 2D platformer or a fighter, then I will prefer it over the asymmetric xbox controller design.

Every controller has it's Pro's and Con's, without a doubt... And everyone is physically different, so they will need/want/desire different things... And like me, those preferences will change depending on the type of game I am playing.

In my opinion, the display could have been larger on the Switch, it already has a massive bezel that can be eaten into... And the Joycons themselves could have been a little bit wider with some curvature underneath to make them more ergonomic and comfortable to hold... That way there would have been more space on the Joycons for physically larger buttons.

The size of the handheld wouldn't increase much... And for users who don't like larger devices... (I'm not one of them!) the Switch lite is the viable option.

At the moment I generally take my Pro controller with me on long trips across the country (Which happened frequently with 5 day deployments to various fires for a couple months) because I just refuse to use the Joycons for anything that is action-intensive like say... Overwatch, so that is more weight and bulk in my carry-on anyway.

If I can find a viable 3rd party joycon, I will probably go down that path at some point.



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BillyBlaze said:
curl-6 said:

I have big hands, to the point where I find the PS1-PS3 dualshock uncomfortably small, and yeah the Joycons are smaller than I'd consider ideal, but I really don't find them that bad. Sub-optimal yes, but perfectly acceptable. I've never felt the urge to buy a Pro controller, and considering the way the system needs to function, I'm not sure making them much bigger would be viable. It's already large for a handheld.

Well, if you want to keep it inside your pocket or jacket it is large, yes. Too large, IMO. I never feel like playing it on the bus or subway anyway because most Switch games are not made for short playing sessions. When I bring it on long-distance journeys or visits to my family I keep it in my backpack and it does not matter that the Satisfye grip makes it a bit clunkier, but my hands thank me when I play it for hours.

I actually expected Nintendo to make alternative Joycons with more grip and bigger buttons. I mean, you have the unique functionality of exchanging inputs for different playing styles and they don't even make use of it. Probably because of "brand recognition" or some bs. They just don't care.

As I understand it there are some third party Joycons that are bigger and more ergonomic, but I'm not sure if they have all the features the standard ones do, like HD rumble. I'm fine with the standard ones but it would be nice if they offered some variants for different tastes, yeah.

Pemalite said:
curl-6 said:

I have big hands, to the point where I find the PS1-PS3 dualshock uncomfortably small, and yeah the Joycons are smaller than I'd consider ideal, but I really don't find them that bad. Sub-optimal yes, but perfectly acceptable. I've never felt the urge to buy a Pro controller, and considering the way the system needs to function, I'm not sure making them much bigger would be viable. It's already large for a handheld.

Yeah. Not a fan of the Dualsock anyway, unless it's a 2D platformer or a fighter, then I will prefer it over the asymmetric xbox controller design.

Every controller has it's Pro's and Con's, without a doubt... And everyone is physically different, so they will need/want/desire different things... And like me, those preferences will change depending on the type of game I am playing.

In my opinion, the display could have been larger on the Switch, it already has a massive bezel that can be eaten into... And the Joycons themselves could have been a little bit wider with some curvature underneath to make them more ergonomic and comfortable to hold... That way there would have been more space on the Joycons for physically larger buttons.

The size of the handheld wouldn't increase much... And for users who don't like larger devices... (I'm not one of them!) the Switch lite is the viable option.

At the moment I generally take my Pro controller with me on long trips across the country (Which happened frequently with 5 day deployments to various fires for a couple months) because I just refuse to use the Joycons for anything that is action-intensive like say... Overwatch, so that is more weight and bulk in my carry-on anyway.

If I can find a viable 3rd party joycon, I will probably go down that path at some point.

Yeah I've always wondered why on Earth they gave the Switch such large bezels. I wondered if maybe it was to leave room for a "Switch XL" down the road.

By the way, huge props to you for your efforts fighting the fires; my mum and step-dad were fire refugees back in January, the fires got very, very close to destroying their property and they had to leave, though luckily it was spared. My hometown nearly burned down too.



curl-6 said:

As I understand it there are some third party Joycons that are bigger and more ergonomic, but I'm not sure if they have all the features the standard ones do, like HD rumble. I'm fine with the standard ones but it would be nice if they offered some variants for different tastes, yeah.

Oh, I just learned about the HORI Split Pad Pro which seems was released last fall! Looks exactly like what I was talking about. I am actually a bit surprised Nintendo licenses these...

Anyway, I will stick with my Satisfye grip as it works well for me and it doesn't have an impact on battery life. Also, it was hella expensive...



The GBA SP. I love the flipping form factor, the battery life, the capabilities for a piece of handheld hardware in that era, the backwards compatibility, etc. Everything I could possibly want from is the sort of thing you'd have needed another few years of tech to add.



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The GBA SP. It was a massive gamechanger for the GBA and handhelds in general. Frontlit (later backlit), rechargeable battery, clamshell design that helped protect the screen, etc.



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Switch: 151 million (was 73, then 96, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million)

PS5: 115 million (was 105 million) Xbox Series S/X: 57 million (was 60 million, then 67 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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I will say one thing I really appreciate about the Joycons is the ability to play in the "split" configuration; ever since the Wiimote + Nunchuk first allowed me to do this, I find it just so much more comfortable to have my hands further apart when playing, instead of having to keep them close together with conventional controllers.



curl-6 said:

I will say one thing I really appreciate about the Joycons is the ability to play in the "split" configuration; ever since the Wiimote + Nunchuk first allowed me to do this, I find it just so much more comfortable to have my hands further apart when playing, instead of having to keep them close together with conventional controllers.

And unlike the wiimote + nunchuck, you can put them together for games that need a firm grip (mostly fighting games).



You know, the more I think about it, while Switch has two primary form factors it switches between, it really has a lot of form factors, and I use them all. Of course there's the docked form and handheld form, but within the docked form there's the separated Joy Cons for when you want to sit more relaxed, the "puppy" mount that puts them together that I use for more intense games, and the pro controllers, including a Gamecube controller, my favorite Nintendo controller. Then in the handheld form, there's the straightforward, attached to the tablet Joy Cons form, you can have it detached from the Joy Cons and propped up, or detached and mounted somewhere (great for car travel). I'm sure you could find more ways to play. It's not just that you can take it anywhere, you also have a lot of options on how to play the way that's most comfortable and convenient to you in your current situation. In that way It's quite unprecedented for a handheld, and even a home console. I still place Gamecube just barely over it, but it's close, and by the end of the generation I might change my mind.



Nu-13 said:
curl-6 said:

I will say one thing I really appreciate about the Joycons is the ability to play in the "split" configuration; ever since the Wiimote + Nunchuk first allowed me to do this, I find it just so much more comfortable to have my hands further apart when playing, instead of having to keep them close together with conventional controllers.

And unlike the wiimote + nunchuck, you can put them together for games that need a firm grip (mostly fighting games).

The Wii did have a Pro controller that gave you that option, but with the Switch it's universal instead of just in games that support it.