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Instead of sacrificing himself, I wish he would have spent his time on Earth building a wall along the US-Mexico border. I would be grateful for that.



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KLAMarine said:
...But why?

1. Death is not much of a sacrifice when he's Jesus.
2. Why does God need Jesus to die for him to forgive?

...It just doesn't make sense...

God forgave the sins of the jews back in the days of the Law through the sacrifice of animals. But as the Jews broke the old covenant based on the Moses Law, God then created a new covenant through the sacrifice of Jesus, so no longer need to sacrifice animals for forginvess. As the procecy said, on isaiah Chapter 53, written 1000 years before Christ.

Who has believed our message 
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life[ and be satisfied[;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

Last edited by CuCabeludo - on 11 January 2019

CuCabeludo said:
KLAMarine said:
...But why?

1. Death is not much of a sacrifice when he's Jesus.
2. Why does God need Jesus to die for him to forgive?

...It just doesn't make sense...

God forgave the sins of the jews back in the days of the Law through the sacrifice of animals.

So he just killed others for what humans have done? That's fucked up...

And what's the point of all that sacrificing anyways?



Jesus is pretty ok by me, now his fan club on the other hand



I don't know, why don't you ask him and see if you get an answer?



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Flilix said:
CuCabeludo said:

God forgave the sins of the jews back in the days of the Law through the sacrifice of animals.

So he just killed others for what humans have done? That's fucked up...

And what's the point of all that sacrificing anyways?

This is how God in Cristhianity is, forgivenes requires the blood of a lamb. Currenly Christianity is the only big monotheist religion that doesn't do any animal sacrifice due to the faith based on forgiveness through the sacrifice of Christ. Jews are still under the Law so for them animal sacrifices are still required (even though they are still awaiting for a Messiah to return the sacrfices). In Islam there is also animal sacrifices during the Hajj every year.



He got himself killed because he couldn't forgive people for a thing. So in order to forgive people for a thing he had himself whipped tortured and killed,

Seems like a weird excuse, maybe he was a bit kinky?



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2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'

CuCabeludo said:
Flilix said:

So he just killed others for what humans have done? That's fucked up...

And what's the point of all that sacrificing anyways?

This is how God in Cristhianity is, forgivenes requires the blood of a lamb. Currenly Christianity is the only big monotheist religion that doesn't do any animal sacrifice due to the faith based on forgiveness through the sacrifice of Christ. Jews are still under the Law so for them animal sacrifices are still required (even though they are still awaiting for a Messiah to return the sacrfices). In Islam there is also animal sacrifices during the Hajj every year.

The fact that his colleagues are doing it, doesn't make it any less fucked up. They're all fucked up.

In fact, Satan seems like the only nice guy of the bunch.





 

CuCabeludo said:
KLAMarine said:
...But why?

1. Death is not much of a sacrifice when he's Jesus.
2. Why does God need Jesus to die for him to forgive?

...It just doesn't make sense...

God forgave the sins of the jews back in the days of the Law through the sacrifice of animals. But as the Jews broke the old covenant based on the Moses Law, God then created a new covenant through the sacrifice of Jesus, so no longer need to sacrifice animals for forginvess. As the procecy said, on isaiah Chapter 53, written 1000 years before Christ.

Who has believed our message 
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life[ and be satisfied[;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

Look at the bolded verse. So Jesus had kids then? Also, prophecies don't refer to people in the past tense. If this was a prophecy then almost everything would be in future tense. Finally, if you read the chapter before this one, you can see that this "servant" was horribly disfigured and ugly. Jesus was not.