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Cobretti2 said:
Have the reasons changed since the last time this popped up lol?

Chris Hu said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Well there is Josephus. People argued that Josephus was interpolated (added to by another author). Out of this two theories came about. The first one was that the entire part of Josephus which mentions Jesus was added in by a Christian around 300 CE. The second theory was that the part of Josephus which mentions Jesus was only partially interpolated. A few years ago an Islamic copy of Josephus was found, and it matched what scholars had theorized a partially interpolated Josephus would look like, if unaltered. So there is good evidence he existed. As for absolute proof, there's no absolute proof for many things in history. Can we prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Caesar was stabbed to death? Nope. We have to rely on the reports of others. How about that Alexander died of an illness and not in battle? Again, no. Or can we prove that Oda Nobunaga led armies. Nope. Again, we have to rely on what people in the past are telling us, and there's always the chance no matter how small that they are lying or mistaken. 

There is zero evidence that he existed there are no first person accounts of any of his actions while he was alive.

Even if there would be first person accounts, there was the Indian guy Shirdi Sai Baba with thousands upon thousands of followers who would claim had witnessed miracles performed by him and yet no one is taking those alleged miracles as facts in spite of the personal accounts.

I recommend believers the following exercise: if the same arguments you bring forward for the existence of your god also apply for another claim -  that could even contradict the existence of your god as is the case for other gods of other religions - would you recognize that those claims are also true? If your argument is good to say your god is real, then the same argument and alleged "evidence" when applies to something else would also make those other claims real.

The only way to separate falsehoods from truth is to have standards to discriminate between those two things, otherwise everything and anything is real.

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From what I understand, he sacrificed himself to himself to be a loophole for a rule that he created. Because creatures that he himself created acted in a way that he designed them to. All seems a little weird.

To get to the other side.

It was pointless. He was assuming the worst in people, but, sucks for him because I’m not commited any sins!

He didnt sacrifice anything as he was only a concept, and the gnostics wrote the gospels as an allegory on how to advance the powers of your soul, before it was corrupted through the powerful to remove any of it real meaning and spiritual message. Furthermore, the true Gods of the rightful owners of this earth, us humans, hate the degeneracy and toxic manipulative thinking and all the schemes related to any false religion. Our true God is the one and only God, he didnt conceive a child with a woman as God is the life force itself, not some mystical being. There are many Gods/Fallen angels/Spacemen/Aliens that visited the earth over the course of our history, these are the real "Gods" of us gentiles, as they found some humans to be attractive, they also helped create some of the races through selective breeding and gene manipulation. The jewish people created the christianity you know as a way to strip any of the spiritual power away from us, make us feel guilty for actions that are not immoral in the slightest, neglect building your chakras and energy working because such things are "Forbidden", to confuse you into being a slave for a God that doesnt answer your prayers, you never see, feel, and experience. It gets you into magical thinking like prayer and the like. Pray to a can of soda, the odds will be the same as praying to your false God... If you really want to change your life and learn how to live on in the afterlife, seek out true religions, ones that teach you how to empower your soul, minds, and bodies, be happy, healthy, and okay with who you are, ones that revere the native Gods and ancestors of your people, We dont need this bullshit religion shoved down our throats, because the true Gods, the ones who want the best for mankind despise the weakness that your religion causes in people.

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aiwass said:
MrWayne said:
I don't believe in god or that Jesus was his son (note I'm also not an atheist) but the New Testament is remarkably progressive for a book written 2000 years ago and there are many different and interresting readings of it.

Please define the word 'atheist'.

I do believe in heaven and the afterlife so I definitely have some kind of religious belief but I don't believe that god like beings exist who influence our life.

Because of the holiness of God. Its more important than his grace.

S.Peelman said:
It was pointless. He was assuming the worst in people, but, sucks for him because I’m not commited any sins!

You have commited the worst of all sins. Bad grammar!

All I can think of while reading the OP....

He was a legend!

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Cerebralbore101 said:
Chris Hu said:

There is zero evidence that he existed there are no first person accounts of any of his actions while he was alive.

There is good evidence that he existed. Just not proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. Josephus is one such piece of evidence. Paul never knew Jesus but met Jesus' birth brother. And that alone is equal in evidence to a first person account of Jesus. If we know somebody's brother existed, then we know that somebody also existed as well. Finally, we have Tacitus a Roman Senator and Historian saying that Jesus existed, and was killed. 

Now what about evidence for Jesus Mythicism? There isn't any. It's all speculation, and theory. 

So even though the evidence isn't an absolute slam dunk of irrefutable proof, I have to side with Jesus being a historical figure. Few things in history are ever proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. For that we would need archaeology. But most of history relies on the written word. 

Nope, there is zero evidence that Jesus ever existed.  Of course if you believe in some or even most of the ancient myth and fair tales in the book that also contains Jesus then its pretty easy to convince yourself that he actually existed.  With most historical real people from the past there are numerous sources of evidence that they actually existed.