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Yeah, what kop said. Plus add in RE: DSC.




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kopstudent89 said:

Ok so the PS3 slim launched with a pricedrop and it was a splash. 360 also got a pricedrop and is getting good increases. Now Wii weekly sales are being closed at, and the holidays are not gonna be as dominnant for Nintendo as the past 2 yrs have been. Wii is doomed right?

I beg to differ. Hey i'm a bit worried too, and maybe they're taking too much time to respond, but isn't that just typical Nintendo, acting all cool like nothing happened, never panicking? So this is what i think, and what i'm guessing. Just like Sony kept its yearly predictions, Nintendo has done so too, despite decreasing annual sales, and by a huge margin also! Sony had the slim up its sleeve, and i bet you Nintendo has so too. It's just too naiive to think the games could be the saviour for Nintendo and actually make up ground from last year's holidays numbers! I just dont see it.

What do i think Nintendo have been doing then? I think they didn't panic instantly, looked at the competition, studied their moves and there effects, and monitored sony's slim launch very carefully. Now what? Now they move, i think by october we will see something big from Nintendo announced, a pricedrop to say the least. I think they've monitored enough and not being able to satisfy their predictions(and it ain't looking good now) will be a huge blow, they definitly are up to something, and unlike Sony they can keep their secrets more than them. So expect something big to be announced by october, thats my prediction.

Thoughts?

The games should be the reason any console sells as well as the Wii does...but as you pointed out, that's not the case for the Wii, which I'm factors in to a lot of the "hate" it gets



Soriku said:
theprof00 said:
What can they do? The main complaint about the console has been the lack of what people call "hardcore" or "past core" games (games that were mainstream in the past).

Unless they have a bunch of those games coming out, I really don't think a price drop will do much except lower the perceived value of the system.

Wii fit + may potentially be big for them along with a couple other "non-games" because their biggest supporters this gen have been traditionally non-gamers, and professionals who don't have time to game. The more pressure that Nintendo feels, the more they are going to target those demographics... vitality sensor, wii fit +, WSR and so on.


The same way the 360 Arcade $200 price and the $300 Slim lower the value of the 360 and PS3? You act like that amount of money is nothing. The PS2 is $99 and is still selling BECAUSE of its library. Pretty sure consumers don't think value is lost when most consumers think the Wii has the best library just looking at sales.

They don't need core games to boost sales in the West, really. The Wii's huge with games like WFP+ and NSMB Wii alone. In Japan it's not the case though, and they have a monster Japanese lineup coming.

The thing is, the Wii is already more than worth the 250. To the average family, even if it was 50$ too much for a budget, the average game console over the last 10 years has been about 200.

For a concept as novel and family/health oriented as the wii's motion control, the 250$ is already worth it to parents and singles. 50$ will not change much. New ideas and new directions is what will attract more customers. To do that, they will do what they've always done. Introduce novelty. Change the colors, use new bundles, new ways to interact. They've barely even tried any new colors... so I don't think any price drop is imminent.

As for lowering the perceived value. I didn't really mean it would do that. I only meant that a price drop would be so insignificant that it would be analogous to a slight negative. It was a bad metaphor. I think it would get a slight bump, and maybe only decline slightly over last Xmas.

A better idea would be to change the colors and bundle with wii fit+ and have another bundle with NSMB and two controllers. That way they will only be losing maybe 20-30$ profit instead of 50$, while at the same time reintroducing Mario as the main concept of Nintendo in the style of the new generation.



BMaker11 said:
kopstudent89 said:

Ok so the PS3 slim launched with a pricedrop and it was a splash. 360 also got a pricedrop and is getting good increases. Now Wii weekly sales are being closed at, and the holidays are not gonna be as dominnant for Nintendo as the past 2 yrs have been. Wii is doomed right?

I beg to differ. Hey i'm a bit worried too, and maybe they're taking too much time to respond, but isn't that just typical Nintendo, acting all cool like nothing happened, never panicking? So this is what i think, and what i'm guessing. Just like Sony kept its yearly predictions, Nintendo has done so too, despite decreasing annual sales, and by a huge margin also! Sony had the slim up its sleeve, and i bet you Nintendo has so too. It's just too naiive to think the games could be the saviour for Nintendo and actually make up ground from last year's holidays numbers! I just dont see it.

What do i think Nintendo have been doing then? I think they didn't panic instantly, looked at the competition, studied their moves and there effects, and monitored sony's slim launch very carefully. Now what? Now they move, i think by october we will see something big from Nintendo announced, a pricedrop to say the least. I think they've monitored enough and not being able to satisfy their predictions(and it ain't looking good now) will be a huge blow, they definitly are up to something, and unlike Sony they can keep their secrets more than them. So expect something big to be announced by october, thats my prediction.

Thoughts?

The games should be the reason any console sells as well as the Wii does...but as you pointed out, that's not the case for the Wii, which I'm factors in to a lot of the "hate" it gets

BS! The games are EXACTLY the reason why the Wii sells.



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Well, Nintendo should start making a new console...  And, have it ready before Sony and Microsoft get their stuff out... It may not be as powerful as the other 8th generation systems, but, it will sell... wait.. scratch that, that's a dumb idea.....

I don't think anyone would openly say "If these two games don't sell, we'll drop the price."  Because then, people will wait on the price drop, then get the two games they wanted afterwards. 

I have no plans in buying a Wii at the moment, and thanks to this thread, I've decided I wont buy one without a 100 dollar price cut.  The ONLY two games I'd EVER get for the Wii would be Epic Mickey, and Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom.  I'm waiting to see how good Epic Mickey is... If Epic Mickey fails, or gets released for the PS3, I won't buy a Wii.

Wii must have a price drop, Epic Mickey MUST be an excellent game, and.. Well, Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom is just...  I dunno.  I want it, but, it's not enough to get me to buy a Wii.... 3 attack buttons really did it for me.  The more I think about it, the less I want TvC.

That's what Nintendo should do for me to buy a Wii.  360 has failed me, and Wii has just... been the cheap system to me...  I'm not a fan of Mario, and I'll never own a Sonic game that's not Native to SEGA...  I know I have the mega collection on PS2, but, that's a crappy emulation job.  I've grown up with SEGA and Sony systems... We had an NES, but...  I was so little... I only have one memory of it.



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I'm not forcing you to buy one :P lol



YNWA

theprof00 said:
Soriku said:
theprof00 said:
What can they do? The main complaint about the console has been the lack of what people call "hardcore" or "past core" games (games that were mainstream in the past).

Unless they have a bunch of those games coming out, I really don't think a price drop will do much except lower the perceived value of the system.

Wii fit + may potentially be big for them along with a couple other "non-games" because their biggest supporters this gen have been traditionally non-gamers, and professionals who don't have time to game. The more pressure that Nintendo feels, the more they are going to target those demographics... vitality sensor, wii fit +, WSR and so on.


The same way the 360 Arcade $200 price and the $300 Slim lower the value of the 360 and PS3? You act like that amount of money is nothing. The PS2 is $99 and is still selling BECAUSE of its library. Pretty sure consumers don't think value is lost when most consumers think the Wii has the best library just looking at sales.

They don't need core games to boost sales in the West, really. The Wii's huge with games like WFP+ and NSMB Wii alone. In Japan it's not the case though, and they have a monster Japanese lineup coming.

The thing is, the Wii is already more than worth the 250. To the average family, even if it was 50$ too much for a budget, the average game console over the last 10 years has been about 200.

For a concept as novel and family/health oriented as the wii's motion control, the 250$ is already worth it to parents and singles. 50$ will not change much. New ideas and new directions is what will attract more customers. To do that, they will do what they've always done. Introduce novelty. Change the colors, use new bundles, new ways to interact. They've barely even tried any new colors... so I don't think any price drop is imminent.

As for lowering the perceived value. I didn't really mean it would do that. I only meant that a price drop would be so insignificant that it would be analogous to a slight negative. It was a bad metaphor. I think it would get a slight bump, and maybe only decline slightly over last Xmas.

A better idea would be to change the colors and bundle with wii fit+ and have another bundle with NSMB and two controllers. That way they will only be losing maybe 20-30$ profit instead of 50$, while at the same time reintroducing Mario as the main concept of Nintendo in the style of the new generation.


A $50 price cut would mean you can get a game (or several cheap games) for the initial price of the Wii. Sounds good to me. It would also put it in line with the 360 Arcade. What that means is, some families might go for the Arcade since it's cheaper, but pricing it the same might sway some. It should also sway some core gamers as well since I've heard quite a few people say they'd like a Wii at $200.

Anyway, I'm saying a price cut is a last resort. Bundles/colors/new games are what they'll do first, of course.




Despite clours, a Player´s Choice series and some unannounced games I think it is possible that we see Dragon Quest (7-9) remakes to already win some DQ-fans for the Wii. I do not think we will see DQX until Q4 2010 (even later), so there is enough time for those 3 remakes, maybe the first one at the end of this year or at the beginning of 2010.



It'll be interesting to see what it will do. Wii Sports Resort and Monster Hunter 3 did quite good in Japan (the former already having crossed a million while the other clinging onto the top ten for the last few weeks at about roughly 850K--it should hit the million mark by the end of the year if it keeps selling like this).

The question is, what will their game situation be like in 2010? From third parties? From first parties? More importantly, what will they do to keep their system from falling off the radar?



mmm so the first rumor starts, I know Nintendo and rumors dot mix like water and oil, but this rumor seems a bit more credible than others



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