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Yeah I'm hoping he didn't mean to cut him, I heard something about Orton pissing him off with that Orton DDT on the second rope??. I know the Shane thing was scripted as well. He'll get some enforcer and have him face Lesnar at Wrestlemania (yawn). But the cut was just a bad work from Lesnar, sloppy and is old overall.



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I wonder. It looked like Lesnar didn't take that DDT well. Or maybe Orton set him up wrong. It looked way shorter than usual. Either way the cut wasn't the way to go. It made the Slam into an anticlimax.



PPV peaked hard at Cena vs Styles.
They made the Universal Title seem so damn unimportant, def should have gone kn last. Overall it was an average show that was terribly paced and ruined the whole thing.



So, that was SummerSlam 2016! Gotta say, it was building up to be one of the best PPV's in recent history and one of the best SummerSlam's ever! But the last 2 matches just killed it completely for me.

So
Match 1: JericKO vs Enzo and Cass
Very solid match. All 4 men were on top of their game here and they did very well with the time they were given! Something tells me they're not done with these 2 teams yet, I give this match a B+

Match 2: Women's Championship match: Charlotte vs Sasha Banks
Loved this match! From bell to bell they told a great story, the two women have great chemistry and they really sold Sasha's back very well, but the bump she took on her head looked pretty bad!
And while Sasha is my absolute favorite superstar on the roster right now, and I LOVE her, Charlotte needed to go over here. Because throughout her entire title reign, she had either her daddy or Dana Brooke by her side helping her cheat to win, and while I get that it's effective as a heel, at some point she's got to earn it and win it by herself so that everyone knows she can walk the walk, to go along with talking the talk. If Charlotte had lost to Sasha AGAIN, by herself without Ric, Dana, or any help, AGAIN, she would look incredibly weak, her past title reign would have gotten an asterick next to it, and the mainstream/casual WWE audience would never take her seriously again for a long time. Charlotte needed the win to legitmize her reign, cement her status as one of the company's top and most hated heels, and it doesn't hurt Sasha in the slightest because of how great the match was and how resilient she was despite all the punishment she was taking. I'm very happy with the outcome of this match and it really kicks the Women's Revolution into high gear, and if my hunch is correct, Bayley is set to make her permanent main roster debut any day now, and they NEED to put her on RAW and let those 3 RUN WITH IT!
I give this match an A.

Match 3: Intercontinental Championship The Miz vs Apollo Crews
Too quick, didn't mean anything, doesn't help either men or the title. D

Match 4: John Cena vs AJ Styles
Last PPV, at Battleground, I said that Kevin Owens vs Sami Zayn was 2016's Match of the Year. I was wrong. THIS! THIS RIGHT HERE! IS THE MATCH OF THE YEAR!!! Holy cow! These two guys TORE THE HOUSE DOWN!! Two of professional wrestling's very best laying it all on the line and throwing everything plus the kitchen sink at each other! It was awesome!! And Styles going over CLEAN over Cena was the perfect cherry on top of the perfect sundae!
A clean victory over the WWE's top star over the past 10 years IMMEDIATELY pushes Styles to the stratosphere! I have a good feeling that with this win, AJ's next sight is going to be the WWE World title, and we'll be seeing a program between AJ and Dean Ambrose very soon!
A+++

Match 5: Tag Team Championships Gallows and Andreson vs. The New Day
The Jon Stewart cameo was nice, and its great to have Big E back, but other than that, meh. C

Match 6: WWE World Championship Dean Ambrose vs Dolph Ziggler
And it was right around here where the PPV started going downhill. Now these 2 still had a great match, as expected from them. But after the masterpiece that was Styles and Cena, it was clear that the show head peaked. And it was almost obvious that Dean would retain the title. Poor Dolph.
I give this match a B.

Match 7: Six Women Tag Team Match Nikki Bella, Natalya, and Alexa Bliss vs Carmella, Naomi, and Becky Lynch
Oh look, Nikki's back! It was decent, but nothing we could have easily seen on SmackDown, and I think cramming all of the women into the match hurt it a bit. 
C.

Match 8 WWE Universal Championship Finn Balor vs Seth Rollins
WOW. Ok, first off, the Universal Championship looks pretty cool, the Red design is simple given it's RAW's main title, but still effective! These two put on a great show, Rollins was hitting all the right notes as a heel, Balor had fire when he needed it, and his Demon King persona is awesome! His mic work still needs improvement, but it's great to see that WWE is going full steam ahead with him! The New Era will need some new guys on top and having one right off the bat who had already earned the respect of the dedicated wrestling fanbase (the Smart Marks) is a Plus, definitely avoids having another John Cena/Roman Reigns situation on our hands. I give this match an A-. 
Speaking of Roman....

Match 9 U.S. Title Match...?
And right around HERE is where the PPV feel off a cliff.
...So was that supposed to turn Roman heel? What the hell was that about? What was this story supposed to achieve? How does this benefit both competitors in any way?
I'd give this an F if it wasn't for Lana looking sexy as hell as always, so just for her, I give this a D-.

Main Event: Randy Orton vs. Brock Lesnar
I'm starting to believe more and more that Dean was right about Brock becoming lazy nowadays. I'm starting to get really tired of seeing, suplex, suplex, suplex, suplex, F-5, suplex, suplex, F-5, 1-2-3. Sure the whole Suplex City thing was great, but it has gotten very old, quickly. The match was beginning to look brighter when Randy started gaining the edge, but then Brock going bananas like that.... I don't know if that was scripted or Brock just losing it, but either way that was a very poor and disappointing finish to a hyped up main event that really takes this PPV from being an instant classic to an above average at best.
F

Overall - 8/10





Wth was that finish.... Lesnar simply has lost respect for the business.... Again. Get rid of him.



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ironmanDX said:
Wth was that finish.... Lesnar simply has lost respect for the business.... Again. Get rid of him.

Honestly, a bunch of my friends were watching with us, and we were just lost for words. We were confused by the two championship matches being where they were on the card and on top of that this ending. Basically if we stopped at Rollins vs Finn, this would have been a great PPV, but the way it continued just arrrgh. 



 

ironmanDX said:
Wth was that finish.... Lesnar simply has lost respect for the business.... Again. Get rid of him.

I just had SummerSlam playing in the background, so I didn't actually see it.  But wasn't that cut planned?



PAOerfulone said:

So, that was SummerSlam 2016! Gotta say, it was building up to be one of the best PPV's in recent history and one of the best SummerSlam's ever! But the last 2 matches just killed it completely for me.

So
Match 1: JericKO vs Enzo and Cass
Very solid match. All 4 men were on top of their game here and they did very well with the time they were given! Something tells me they're not done with these 2 teams yet, I give this match a B+

Match 2: Women's Championship match: Charlotte vs Sasha Banks
Loved this match! From bell to bell they told a great story, the two women have great chemistry and they really sold Sasha's back very well, but the bump she took on her head looked pretty bad!
And while Sasha is my absolute favorite superstar on the roster right now, and I LOVE her, Charlotte needed to go over here. Because throughout her entire title reign, she had either her daddy or Dana Brooke by her side helping her cheat to win, and while I get that it's effective as a heel, at some point she's got to earn it and win it by herself so that everyone knows she can walk the walk, to go along with talking the talk. If Charlotte had lost to Sasha AGAIN, by herself without Ric, Dana, or any help, AGAIN, she would look incredibly weak, her past title reign would have gotten an asterick next to it, and the mainstream/casual WWE audience would never take her seriously again for a long time. Charlotte needed the win to legitmize her reign, cement her status as one of the company's top and most hated heels, and it doesn't hurt Sasha in the slightest because of how great the match was and how resilient she was despite all the punishment she was taking. I'm very happy with the outcome of this match and it really kicks the Women's Revolution into high gear, and if my hunch is correct, Bayley is set to make her permanent main roster debut any day now, and they NEED to put her on RAW and let those 3 RUN WITH IT!
I give this match an A.

Match 3: Intercontinental Championship The Miz vs Apollo Crews
Too quick, didn't mean anything, doesn't help either men or the title. D

Match 4: John Cena vs AJ Styles
Last PPV, at Battleground, I said that Kevin Owens vs Sami Zayn was 2016's Match of the Year. I was wrong. THIS! THIS RIGHT HERE! IS THE MATCH OF THE YEAR!!! Holy cow! These two guys TORE THE HOUSE DOWN!! Two of professional wrestling's very best laying it all on the line and throwing everything plus the kitchen sink at each other! It was awesome!! And Styles going over CLEAN over Cena was the perfect cherry on top of the perfect sundae!
A clean victory over the WWE's top star over the past 10 years IMMEDIATELY pushes Styles to the stratosphere! I have a good feeling that with this win, AJ's next sight is going to be the WWE World title, and we'll be seeing a program between AJ and Dean Ambrose very soon!
A+++

Match 5: Tag Team Championships Gallows and Andreson vs. The New Day
The Jon Stewart cameo was nice, and its great to have Big E back, but other than that, meh. C

Match 6: WWE World Championship Dean Ambrose vs Dolph Ziggler
And it was right around here where the PPV started going downhill. Now these 2 still had a great match, as expected from them. But after the masterpiece that was Styles and Cena, it was clear that the show head peaked. And it was almost obvious that Dean would retain the title. Poor Dolph.
I give this match a B.

Match 7: Six Women Tag Team Match Nikki Bella, Natalya, and Alexa Bliss vs Carmella, Naomi, and Becky Lynch
Oh look, Nikki's back! It was decent, but nothing we could have easily seen on SmackDown, and I think cramming all of the women into the match hurt it a bit. 
C.

Match 8 WWE Universal Championship Finn Balor vs Seth Rollins
WOW. Ok, first off, the Universal Championship looks pretty cool, the Red design is simple given it's RAW's main title, but still effective! These two put on a great show, Rollins was hitting all the right notes as a heel, Balor had fire when he needed it, and his Demon King persona is awesome! His mic work still needs improvement, but it's great to see that WWE is going full steam ahead with him! The New Era will need some new guys on top and having one right off the bat who had already earned the respect of the dedicated wrestling fanbase (the Smart Marks) is a Plus, definitely avoids having another John Cena/Roman Reigns situation on our hands. I give this match an A-. 
Speaking of Roman....

Match 9 U.S. Title Match...?
And right around HERE is where the PPV feel off a cliff.
...So was that supposed to turn Roman heel? What the hell was that about? What was this story supposed to achieve? How does this benefit both competitors in any way?
I'd give this an F if it wasn't for Lana looking sexy as hell as always, so just for her, I give this a D-.

Main Event: Randy Orton vs. Brock Lesnar
I'm starting to believe more and more that Dean was right about Brock becoming lazy nowadays. I'm starting to get really tired of seeing, suplex, suplex, suplex, suplex, F-5, suplex, suplex, F-5, 1-2-3. Sure the whole Suplex City thing was great, but it has gotten very old, quickly. The match was beginning to look brighter when Randy started gaining the edge, but then Brock going bananas like that.... I don't know if that was scripted or Brock just losing it, but either way that was a very poor and disappointing finish to a hyped up main event that really takes this PPV from being an instant classic to an above average at best.
F

Overall - 8/10



I agree with a good deal of what you thought of the matches themselves but I cannot bring myself to give this ppv on a whole anything better than a 4 or so out of 10.

Jeri-KO winning bugged me because I feel like Jericho has run his course.  I see the guy on TV and can't help but think he should only be there to put over new talent.  Looking at his tagging historically, he isn't going to give KO the rub that they think he is by the end of this.  Enzo and Cass could've used the win there and then catapulted right up to fight New Day for the belts.  Though I can see the logic in not going that route to avoid the face v face title thing.

The botch at the beginning of the Women's title match made it really hard to get into the rest of it for me.  Both those women put on solid performances despite, and I absolutely HATE the lame ass roll-over pin finish.  It isn't bad in small batches, but that seems to be a go-to for the WWE at this point.  It has lost its shock value, give us something entertaining for a close to a title match.  Also, the match being the second on the card was deplorable.  This should've been one of the last 4 matches.  Give the title the respect they have been proclaiming they have for it already.

IC belt, you summed up perfectly imo.

I went into the Cena and AJ match with so much trepidation.  With great up and comers like Bray Wyatt and Rusev falling off a cliff after losing feuds with Cena I was sure the same exact thing was gonna happen with AJ.  To see him come away with a win was the highlight of the night for me.  Nevermind the fact that this match is clearly the match of the year, and maybe even the best match of the last five years.  Cena gets so much hate unwarranted inring hate from wrestling fans who, like myself, are just tired of his little superman persona.  The guy can go in the ring though, especially with a top tier talent like AJ.  I hope they keep these two away from each other for a while.  A reignition of the feud after AJ picks up a title though would be absolute gold for me.

And it was right here that the PPV fell off the cliff for me.

I love New Day.  I think they are one of the most entertaining acts in wrestling today.  That said, this is Summerslam.  This is supposed to be the second Wrestlemania.  They even give it the 4 hour treatment.  So why in the hell did this match kick off the clear "delay until next PPV" theme that permeated through a lot of matches down the rest of the card?  There needed to be a definitive finish here.  Not a DQ run-in by a returning Big E.  Instead now we either get a continued program with Gallows and Anderson, which is fine but ultimately not necessary imo, or a poorly transitioned change over to another program for New Day.

Dean and Dolph: 1. Title matches should be main events, not middle of the card fodder.  2. The build to this match left no one believing Dolph was going to win.  3.  The idea that this is the main title and it is getting this treatment is a joke.

I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the 6 diva tag match.  The fact that it became all about the returning Bella because of Eva Marie's suspension though was a bit much.  Surely they could've done something differently to showcase the younger, more talented women in the match as they most likely originally planned to.

Balor and Rollins, two of my favorite singles competitors right now, definitely didn't look completely comfortable with one another in there and I think that hurt the match quality and pace for me a little bit.  That said, it was a solid match at the right end of the card.  The problem though is that the rest of the card being booked the way it was made this feel remarkably unimportant.  Also, Universal Champion is the dumbest fucking thing they could've come up with for the name.  I was glad to see Balor win, and by nature this is going to carry into the next Raw event, which is both awesome because I love me some Rollins and Finn, but unnecessary because of my reasons above with the tag titles.  This should be a show of storyline close outs, not delays and continuations.

The US title "match" should NEVER have been put as the second to last match.  Yes WWE is more circus than it is boxing or UFC.  However, the structure needs to remain the same.  The important stuff happens last.  That's it.  End of fucking story.  This match wasn't important.  The build wasn't interesting.  The outcome, should the match have happened, was all too predictable.  The fact that it didn't happen was the best part of it.  The fact that it got air time was the second worst part.  The worst part is it is no doubt going to continue the trend of continued storylines and we are gonna see more Reigns Rusev for the coming weeks.

The Brock Orton match ruined an already flawed card.  It literally took quality wrestling matches and made me forget they happened earlier in the night with its awful pacing and terrible finish.  I had to go back and watch the Joe Nakamura match from Takeover the night before immediately after Summerslam just the get the taste of unfiltered asswater that they had just unceremoniously dumped into my mouth out of it.  Fuck that match, fuck Summerslam.



darkknightkryta said:
ironmanDX said:
Wth was that finish.... Lesnar simply has lost respect for the business.... Again. Get rid of him.

I just had SummerSlam playing in the background, so I didn't actually see it.  But wasn't that cut planned?

Everything around it made it seem planned, like Shane running down and Lesnar attacking Orton while the doctor was working on him.  

However, it looked like Lesnar caught Orton with a legit elbow and opened up a huge gash on his head.  It's hard to believe that was on purpose, though it is possible that they intended for Brock to give him a hardway cut and he just hit him way too hard.  

My guess is that Lesnar was supposed to pound Orton until the ref called the fight.  Everything seemed staged.  If they did intend for a cut to happen there, I doubt it was supposed to be that bad.  In that case, Lesnar gets less blame, as it has to be really hard to gauge how hard it is to hit someone to draw blood, and more blame goes to the WWE in general for planning a really terrible and unsafe finish, especially with the main event.



pokoko said:
darkknightkryta said:

I just had SummerSlam playing in the background, so I didn't actually see it.  But wasn't that cut planned?

Everything around it made it seem planned, like Shane running down and Lesnar attacking Orton while the doctor was working on him.  

However, it looked like Lesnar caught Orton with a legit elbow and opened up a huge gash on his head.  It's hard to believe that was on purpose, though it is possible that they intended for Brock to give him a hardway cut and he just hit him way too hard.  

My guess is that Lesnar was supposed to pound Orton until the ref called the fight.  Everything seemed staged.  If they did intend for a cut to happen there, I doubt it was supposed to be that bad.  In that case, Lesnar gets less blame, as it has to be really hard to gauge how hard it is to hit someone to draw blood, and more blame goes to the WWE in general for planning a really terrible and unsafe finish, especially with the main event.

I think this is spot on.  IF the finish wasn't planned the way it played out there is no way you would've only had a handful of refs in the ring standing there doing the typical talk him down spots with Brock.  He wouldn't have been allowed to get back on Orton multiple times.  Also, Shane definitely wouldn't have actually gone out there for his spot at the end.  They would've sent actual security and it would've blown up big time.  The whole thing had to be planned, I just think it went a little further because of how bad the hardway opening got.