I know where i live in Canada Future shop is giving away a halo3 hat and a "I PWN" t-shirt with each pre-order. So i expect lots of sales at that store.

thetonestarr said: kn said: I think that record stands at about $150 million for Spiderman 3 in the U.S. Let's just hope that it doesn't follow the "delivery" of Spideman 3, too. As in, turn out to be a total letdown for the majority of viewers/players.   Also: Before anybody says, "OMG HALO3 PWNS SO BAD THESE PREORDER NUMBERS PROVE IT", I doubt Halo 3 will have legs for very long at all. I expect that it has such high preorder numbers because most, if not all, of the people who WILL want the game - ever - already know that they will. As a result, they're all buying it right away.  It's the same concept as the fact that anybody who wants Halo 3 probably already has a 360, so Halo 3 won't move many consoles.

Not long legs ehh? Having the one before it sell what 8 milliion i guess doesnt suggest it will have long legs, at all, i know when i bought my 360 first games i got where halo 1 and 2, same thing with each new 360 sold, likely that a high percentage will buy halo 3 soon after. I dont know how you can say that, with 1.5  million preorders (dont know exact number) your telling me that from the 8 million people before it, only 2 million or so are going to buy it? i find that far fetched. Again no one can predict the future, but really it doesnt make much sense 

 

The same concept could be said to all games and fans, that most people who want games like ff 13 halo 3, SMG, etc already have their consoles. You cant know that, no one knows. This concept is guessed, along with that it will push huge ammounts, no one knows, heck it might not be much of a push at all, or it could be a massive one.

 

Dolla Dolla said: kn said: I can't ever remember at any time in my gaming history (and it goes back a long way) having so freaking many AAA games coming out on multiple platforms. MP3, Halo 3, Bioshock, Warzone, Incredible Sword, Mass Effect, Lair, SSBB, Super Mario Galaxy, and so on. Never has it been so good for the gamers regardless of their alliance. I think you were looking for the word Heavenly. And, I wholeheartedly agree with you. This fall is a gamer's paradise AKA your wallet's worse nightmare.

 Whoops!  Yes, I meant that.  And I left out Cod4.  That's my official brain cramp for the day.  I won't let it happen again.

thetonestarr said: kn said: I think that record stands at about $150 million for Spiderman 3 in the U.S. Let's just hope that it doesn't follow the "delivery" of Spideman 3, too. As in, turn out to be a total letdown for the majority of viewers/players.   Also: Before anybody says, "OMG HALO3 PWNS SO BAD THESE PREORDER NUMBERS PROVE IT", I doubt Halo 3 will have legs for very long at all. I expect that it has such high preorder numbers because most, if not all, of the people who WILL want the game - ever - already know that they will. As a result, they're all buying it right away. It's the same concept as the fact that anybody who wants Halo 3 probably already has a 360, so Halo 3 won't move many consoles.

Uh... wishful fanboy thinking in all respects.  Halo 3 will move consoles.  Bank on it.  The "everyone who will buy it has a 360 already" is bogus and you know it.  As far as legs are concerned it will certainly drop off quickly because it can't maintain the kind of sales that it will have the first week.  Just not possible regardless of how great the game is.  If you think, however, that it won't continue to sell a respectable volume for a fairly long period, think again... There are so many great games coming out through the first of the year there will be a lot of folks who put it off for a bit.  Holiday 360 hardware sales will push a lot of copies out the door as well.

thats supprising, i know its going to be big but those figures indicate it will be huge, im sticking with metroid prime tho, i didnt get into the first halo

thetonestarr said: kn said: I think that record stands at about $150 million for Spiderman 3 in the U.S. Let's just hope that it doesn't follow the "delivery" of Spideman 3, too. As in, turn out to be a total letdown for the majority of viewers/players.   Also: Before anybody says, "OMG HALO3 PWNS SO BAD THESE PREORDER NUMBERS PROVE IT", I doubt Halo 3 will have legs for very long at all. I expect that it has such high preorder numbers because most, if not all, of the people who WILL want the game - ever - already know that they will. As a result, they're all buying it right away. It's the same concept as the fact that anybody who wants Halo 3 probably already has a 360, so Halo 3 won't move many consoles.

Your absolutely right! Everyone that will want Halo 3 "Ever" is going to get it on day one. It's going to be just like Halo 2 which sold 6mil in 1 week and dropped off the sales charts!

/sarcasm

kn said: thetonestarr said: kn said: I think that record stands at about $150 million for Spiderman 3 in the U.S. Let's just hope that it doesn't follow the "delivery" of Spideman 3, too. As in, turn out to be a total letdown for the majority of viewers/players.   Also: Before anybody says, "OMG HALO3 PWNS SO BAD THESE PREORDER NUMBERS PROVE IT", I doubt Halo 3 will have legs for very long at all. I expect that it has such high preorder numbers because most, if not all, of the people who WILL want the game - ever - already know that they will. As a result, they're all buying it right away. It's the same concept as the fact that anybody who wants Halo 3 probably already has a 360, so Halo 3 won't move many consoles. Uh... wishful fanboy thinking in all respects. Halo 3 will move consoles. Bank on it. The "everyone who will buy it has a 360 already" is bogus and you know it. As far as legs are concerned it will certainly drop off quickly because it can't maintain the kind of sales that it will have the first week. Just not possible regardless of how great the game is. If you think, however, that it won't continue to sell a respectable volume for a fairly long period, think again... There are so many great games coming out through the first of the year there will be a lot of folks who put it off for a bit. Holiday 360 hardware sales will push a lot of copies out the door as well.

 So, is that why I plan on buying a 360, and maybe Halo 3 someday? Get off yourself and don't make assumptions.

 

I never said that last sentence was a concept I supported or believed, first. I simply said that the two concepts have a lot in common. I DO believe, though, that most Halo 3 players DO already have 360s, especially since they got a chance to play the demo a few months ago. 

Halo 3 is a game where most people who are going to want it will already have a 360. In the six years since H:CE's release, most gamers have already decided whether they have any desire to play Halo or not. As a result, Halo 3 doesn't have that much further to go. It's not doing that much new, so it won't be like, "OMG HALO 2 WAS LAME BUT HALO 3 IS AWZUM NOW I WANNA PLAY."

It certainly will sell to some previous non-players, and it certainly will move some consoles. I never said it wouldn't. What I said is that it won't move many, or have long legs. Let me expand on that. 

A very, very large portion of the game's total sales will be from the release period. Because, as I said, most gamers have made up their minds by now. They either love Halo, or they don't, pretty much. All the people who "love" Halo are going to be wanting Halo 3 right from the start. The people who don't, well, they'll be spending their money on something else.

 There ARE a fair number of exceptions, yes, but these people won't count for much. They're mostly people who don't have the money for a 360, are waiting it out for M$ to fix their hardware issues, or people who just recently got into the gaming scene and aren't exactly sure what they want yet (however, most of those will likely decide on a Wii).

 I happen to fall into the first two categories. My wife and I can't exactly afford to throw down $350 for the system I prefer (However, if I get the job I just interviewed for (which pays substantially better than my current job), I'll be getting a second part-time at either Gamestop or Best Buy and buying an Elite instead, since I'll get a discount). Additionally, even if I had the money, I'm not sure I'd buy one yet anyhow. I'd rather wait until they have a much lower hardware fail rate. I'd hate to end up being the guy that goes through 12 systems. Too much a bother. My PC's just as capible of most of the gaming I'd do on a 360, so I'm happy here for now.

 Either way, I doubt the people who fall into those categories will count for many. I expect that Holiday '07 will be the end of significant Halo 3 sales, and its life will mostly blubber on after that. It'll sell, but nothing significant or respectable (per week) after that.

I DO think it'll probably continue selling (feebly) for a long time after that though (the whole mess of non-owners finally getting money or making that decision), so it MAY still end up totaling to a respectable TOTAL after this holiday season. 

I suppose it depends on your definition of legs. Obviously the game is going to be the must have game for the console, and will have a ridiculous attach rate. I actually think the game can push over three million units in its first week. The hype, expectations, and hype are staggering.

The first month on the market I expect it to dwell within the top ten. Probably within the top five. The following month I expect it to stay within the top twenty. The month after that it will go back into the top ten perhaps for the next two months. After that it will spend the next year in the top thirty.

Great games have great legs even if they have massive launch hype and sell through. Take Gears and Zelda as prime examples. Must have system games usually account for a high attach rate with new purchases, and as the install base grows so to will total sales. Hard to imagine people buying the machine and not buying this game to go with it.

I agree the price has functioned as a wall to consumers, but given the persistent popularity of the multiplayer. The previous generations players are going to feel cornered soon. They either move up in hardware, or they get left behind. I know half a dozen Xbox owners scraping together cash right now. Hardcore competitive games have launch windows. They will find it hard to accept they will not be the best this time around.

thetonestarr said: I DO think it'll probably continue selling (feebly) for a long time after that though (the whole mess of non-owners finally getting money or making that decision), so it MAY still end up totaling to a respectable TOTAL after this holiday season.

Halo 2 is still in the charts after 145 weeks and sold millions after the initial rush of Christmas 2004 (it's year of release).  I'm not sure about you but I consider millions of additional copies sold as repectable.

No way the 360 is going to move a good amount of hardware all the way up till christmas. No way many of those console sold are gonna sell a new copy of Halo 3 either.