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Forums - Sales Discussion - The Wii could reach 210 million and 70% market share by end of 2012

GamingChartzFTW said:
bdbdbd said:
@GamingChartz: But the average east-european drives a bad car, goes to low paid work and the countries are experiencing financial growth. I think you know it yourself, that you're grasping straws with your argument.
Outside western countries, people generally have lower income than the people in west, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't have money. Besides, as i already said, eventually, the price will go down, making the console available for more people.

^Fix'd!

bdbdbd posted: "I think you know it yourself, that you're grasping straws with your argument."

ok, I'll bite  O_o

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita:


Western Countries:

Luxembourg
$ 104,452
Sweden $ 50,415
Finland $ 46,769
Netherlands $ 46,389
United States $ 45,959
United Kingdom $ 45,626
Australia $ 43,798
Germany $ 40,315
France $ 40,200


East European Countries:

Russia $ 14,800
Romania $ 7,452
Bulgaria $ 5,409
Serbia $ 4,106
Ukraine $ 3,035
Moldova $ 976
etc. etc.

Asian Countries:

China $ 2,459
India $ 973
etc. etc.


Yes, the poor countries are experiencing growth. It'll take a few decades (at least) before they reach our level of wealth.


Edit:

I could have opted for PPP (Purchase Power Parity), but I wanted to show the future potential wealth in each country.

 

They don't need to reach our level of wealth to be able to purchase games and consoles. Of course, the more money they have, the more they can afford to buy.

The point is, that most of the countries are wealthy enough to have a games market. The biggest problem in the markets isn't that much the lack of money, but the amount of piracy.

 

Now, i wouldn't  count Russia and Serbia into your list, since Russia isn't that poor that it seems an Serbia isn't in Eastern-Europe (besides, without Russia your list is only around 100M in pop, instead the 300-400M you claimed).



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No. It won't. And it can't.

And at what pace is it at that it would reach 210m by the end of 2012? Figuring that it will sell likely another two or three million before this year is over. That places it at about 41 or 42 million or so. That means it would need to sell 168-169 million in three years.

So in four years, 2009-2012 which is 208 weeks. It would need to average over 800,000 sold every week. When, other than launch and the holiday season has it sold anywhere near that? Yes, it could be argued that supply held back sales but does anyone honestly think that the Wii could average that much over the next four years?



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bdbdbd said:
GamingChartzFTW said:
bdbdbd said:
@GamingChartz: But the average east-european drives a bad car, goes to low paid work and the countries are experiencing financial growth. I think you know it yourself, that you're grasping straws with your argument.
Outside western countries, people generally have lower income than the people in west, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't have money. Besides, as i already said, eventually, the price will go down, making the console available for more people.

^Fix'd!

bdbdbd posted: "I think you know it yourself, that you're grasping straws with your argument."

ok, I'll bite  O_o

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita:


Western Countries:

Luxembourg
$ 104,452
Sweden $ 50,415
Finland $ 46,769
Netherlands $ 46,389
United States $ 45,959
United Kingdom $ 45,626
Australia $ 43,798
Germany $ 40,315
France $ 40,200


East European Countries:

Russia $ 14,800
Romania $ 7,452
Bulgaria $ 5,409
Serbia $ 4,106
Ukraine $ 3,035
Moldova $ 976
etc. etc.

Asian Countries:

China $ 2,459
India $ 973
etc. etc.


Yes, the poor countries are experiencing growth. It'll take a few decades (at least) before they reach our level of wealth.


Edit:

I could have opted for PPP (Purchase Power Parity), but I wanted to show the future potential wealth in each country.

 

They don't need to reach our level of wealth to be able to purchase games and consoles. Of course, the more money they have, the more they can afford to buy.

The point is, that most of the countries are wealthy enough to have a games market. The biggest problem in the markets isn't that much the lack of money, but the amount of piracy.  You basically said it yourself. Poverty and lack of cash. That's why piracy continue to flourish.. :P

Now, i wouldn't  count Russia and Serbia into your list, since Russia isn't that poor that it seems an Serbia isn't in Eastern-Europe (besides, without Russia your list is only around 100M in pop, instead the 300-400M you claimed).

*sigh*

Pay more attention when you read. "subract 300 - 400,000,000 million people in Eastern-Europe and Russia who can't afford it."

And yes, Russia is "that poor". Ever been outside Moscow and Saint Petersburg? You live in Finland. You should do a road trip through Russia. Also check statistics. Again, Moscow and Saint Petersburg are poor cities with millions of people living in poverty. The rest of Russia is even poorer. Hopefully the standard of living will continue to improve during the next decades.
A large russian middle-class will eventually appear, but that will take decades.

No. As much as I love the Wii, it won't sell 210 million. Markets and demand. Add in some demography and you'll understand how things work. Keep on dreaming though.



Tyrannical said:
Khuutra said:
Tyrannical said:
I would expect a large chunk of Wii owners will outgrow the system by the time they hit 12 or 13.

Man are you even for real

 

 Well, look at some of the  top selling 3rd party Wii games from chart track's latest list.

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110030

(5) CARNIVAL: FUNFAIR GAMES

(6) MARIO & SONIC AT THE OLYMPIC GAMES

(7) GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS: THE VIDEOGAME

(9) RAYMAN RAVING RABBIDS TV PARTY

(10) HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL 3: SENIOR YEAR DANCE

(11) BIG BEACH SPORTS

How old were you when games like this stopped interesting you?

 

 

I am 30 and I love Mario & Sonic. So what is your [stupid] point? Interesting how you conveniently chose to ignore games that have sold more than those you listed such as Wii Fit, Mario Kart, Brawl, Galaxy just so you can twist the facts to suit your [stupid] point. 

On topic I don't think Wii can possibly sell that much. 



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@GamingChartz: Road trip through Russia, no thanks. You're not making that trip alive. And even if you would, where would you end up. Alaska, What's the purpose of going into US?

The problem with Russia is the small middle class, so there are only poor and rich people. But, the point is, that after we count the poor people out, it still leaves us a large amount of people with enough income to purchase their entertainment products.
No console isn't going to reach 100% of the population anyway, so we end up talking about potential. More money equals more potential. All the bigger countries have the number of people that can afford a certain product, if this number is big enough, the manufacturers get interested in the market. For example Sony estimates russian market to be viable for PS3, atleast if releasing the console there is any indication.

Piracy does correlate with poverty to an extent, but what counts the most, is the perception of moral. Even people who can afford a certain product, can still pirate and being poor doesn't mean that the person would pirate anything.



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Hell, the Wii will have 10% of the car market by then.




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Time to bring out my "end of gen" tables.

Wii Minimum Expected range Maximum
World 100 140-155 200?
Japan 18 20-25 30
Americas 45 65-70 85
Others 37 55-60 85
PS3
Minimum Expected range Maximum
World 40
50-60 85
Japan 4 5-7 8
Americas 14 16-19 32
Others 22 29-34 45
X360
Minimum Expected range Maximum
World 40 45-55 65
Japan 1 1-1.5 2
Americas 25 29-35.5 42
Others 14 15-18 21

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So I do think it is possible that the Wii can make 200 million, and PS360 lounge around 40 million each... but it is unlikely... that and these numbers are refering to when they stop selling, which is likely after 2012 even for PS3 and 360.

I think it more likely the Wii will end around 150 million compared to a combined 105 million for the other two, which puts the Wii marketshare at about 60%

So yes, it's possible, but not by 2012.... more like 2015



It's no laughing matter, but I still disagree with you.



I think that's just a wii(loooooooool) bit too optimistic.



It's not as far off as you guys think. I bet that it's over 60% by that time. That would be something to laugh at. Wouldn't it?



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