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goddog said:
@anarchy west, most likely, you would switch disks to keep the story moving with each disk having full city on it... or you just install it since that seems to be the rout consoles are going... thus making blue ray useless with its slow speed... if only it was 8 x

i think that would kill the game just like DVD's are



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
AnarchyWest said:
Domicinator said:

This is the best post ever.

how would changing discs in a game like GTA work ?

Redundant city with voice, missions, and content exclusive to each disc? Then again, GTA didn't need more than one disc. Perhaps mandatory HD installs of redundant information. I'm sure if it was a PS3 exclusive, GTAIV woulda been a better game. That's sarcasm of course. Hypothetical situations aside, realistically, Blu-Ray isn't necessary for gaming currently. It might in very few instances, save you time, but acting like it is needed simply isn't correct.

Now let me speak on the "power" of "The Cell." Another delusion of PS3 fans.

IMO, "The Cell" is just a phrase that symbolizes a promise Sony made at E3, after the Killzone trailer. The promise is that the PS3 will have much better graphics, and much more horsepower than its competitors. A promise that will never come to fruition. We have people that will try to explain the complexities of the architecture. You know what that is? Cherrypicking. Even if somehow "The Cell" physically existed as a substantial entity outside of talking points, and would eventually play a role in the console wars, Sony didn't think to include the other "features" required to boost the graphical power of games, beyond the processor, like say, a future proof video card and ram setup, I'm guessing. We tend to believe in generalizations because we don't understand everything, but I think it's fairly clear that writing videogame code isn't rocket science, and "unlocking the cell" amounts to calling Sony when your 360 port has a lot of slowdown and you don't know why.

The Cell is a magician's trick. A salesman's gimmick. All products have them. They are items within a product that do something you'll probably never exactly understand, but they have a cool name, so when you say to your friends, "Hey, I just bought this badass Toshiba television. It has Dynalite," or, "I just bought this awesome Samsung TV. It's the model withthat includes the Tru-color picture," you'll have a nice talking point right in the introduction. Nobody knows what this stuff does, but it's a cool word that makes people who listen believe that something they don't know about makes your purchased product better than the average.

It's an old vacuum cleaner salesmen trick. It's selling firewater off the back of a covered wagon in 1859. It's a Rainbow vacuum cleaner selling talking point. It's a Billy Mays product. It's oxy-clean. Now with Stain-Gaurd(trademark). The Cell is Stain-Gaurd.

It's the Playstation 3. Now with The Cell(trademark). We've spent years and billions developing our super processor, used by the US government in tests, and seen as the fastest super-computer known to man. This will destroy your 360, /snap, like that. Set it, and forget it. A pitch. Simple as that.

Its purpose? To battle cognitive dissonance, and when you're trying to devide on one console or another, and you're on the fence, you might say, "Well, this has The Cell," so I'll get it. Mostly, however, it is to comfort purchasers and give them a talking point. It makes you feel better knowing you have the "all powerful cell" at your fingertips. You know what "The Cell" is? This is the deepest secret no one knows. The Cell is nothing. It's the same thing that every other computer has inside it that does what "The Cell" does. It just does it in a less efficient way in order to appear different. Those other ones are just not called "The Cell."

imo

Now maybe my opinion is wrong. I'm not a technician. However, I do know bullcrap when I see it. The signs are universal, and I know marketing. It's easy to spot. You can't mistake it.

In short, the cell is capable of the next-gen blast processing.

 



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forevercloud3000 said:
NightstrikerX said:
I say it's this simple. If you want to play and enjoy the game, buy it. Multiplat just means more people can enjoy the game, and share experiences from it. Xbox 360 and PS3 alike. At this point, there is nothing we, the consumer can do. Square-Enix made their decision, obviously a decision that had alot of thought and attention put into it, and was made most likely months prior to E3. So we just need to simply accept it. Move on, and enjoy it on whatever system you want.

Will this affect sales any? Yes, but having thing game can only improve sales, for BOTH systems. I say its win/win!

 

true, it is good that both get to enjoy the game. But why this game? Why not something that did not have the weight of PS3 riding on it's back? At the E3 conference they said the decision was VERY recent. So months is probably out of the qeustion. Especially seeing as they have not started at all. The game has made many promises as stated in OP, the anouncement of a 360 version broke every single one of them. That is NEVER a good thing...

And sales of the consoles will be effected. PS3 sales will not be as much as expected on day of release for FFXIII now that I would say about 25% of it's fanbase can now play it on a system they already own or is cheaper for them to get. Thats not fair, thats not fair at all, for sony at least. 360 sales I see staying pretty much the same tho so they are still on the upside of this situation.

Underhanded if you ask me. THis has turned to a cock fight instead of a business, measured by who is in the lead.


Wait, I only read part of your first post so I have to ask, didn't you say something about PS3 being able to sell even without a large library of games to carry it? If that is truly the case and you really believe that why is the PS3 placing it's weight on FF13?

@AnarchyWest, I actually have some movies that require flipping a dvd over, (das boots my favorite one), never bothered me. imersion in a game wont be broken if its a good game. dvds are not a true detriment, the detriment, is not having a hard drive on every unit, so games can use it as a resource.

also did disk swapping destroy ffvii for you or any of the other games you have had to swap disks.... there is a limit, but we arent near it (i remember swapping 5.25 floppies every 10 minutes back in the 80s for a few games)


FFvII is a good example of how well disk swapping can work, and it was done very early in the ps1 life, that system could have used dvds they were avalible then but it did not make sence economicaly



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Pristine20 said:
blazinhead89 said:
Don't worry Every TRUE FF fan will buy the PS version ;)

 

 Whats a true FF fan?

 

True FF fans are people who are to young to realize FF started on Nintendo systems.   People like this poster seem to see SE and Sony as the same company!!!!



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When Sony bought FF away from Nintendo, it was much worse... because it meant LESS gamers could play those games. This is the complete opposite. As a fan, you should be happy to see your favourite franchise gain more attention.

Regarding the N64/PS1/Cartridge/CD issue: You, me, we all have no idea what really happened. Maybe you remember that the PS1 originally was a Sony/Nintendo collaboration and was meant to be a SNES add on? Why did the deal fail? We will never really know, but you're being naive if you think that Sony only tried to promote the technical progress for the benefit of gamers... 

Come on, this is just another "fanboyism sucks, but MY fanboyism is different!" thread.



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... and the comparison to Mario going multiplatform is not fair either: Mario is a first party series, it's the very core of what Nintendo is. There's only one scenario where Mario games would go multiplat: If Nintendo were forced to exit the hardware business. Yeah, I would be mad about that.



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ElRhodeo said:
... and the comparison to Mario going multiplatform is not fair either: Mario is a first party series, it's the very core of what Nintendo is. There's only one scenario where Mario games would go multiplat: If Nintendo were forced to exit the hardware business. Yeah, I would be mad about that.

Indeed - a more "fair" comparison would be Gran Turismo or Halo going multiplatform. The thing is, Sony has been the lead from the moment they debuted all the way until recently (PS3), so the PS brand has been identified by nearly every big non-Nintendo, non-Halo game franchises - FF, MGS, GTA, even KH. Sony has relied so much on third parties for the PS2, that a failure like the PS3 hurts much more than it otherwise would, as all "Sony" games appear to be leaving the system. That's why I feel it's a good thing they're putting more money into 1st/2nd party efforts, because they need to be able to stand up on their own legs to be able to hold up against Nintendo (monster 1st party) / Microsoft (money = power over 3rd parties).



Gnizmo said:
forevercloud3000 said:

SE just wants to make everything even this time right?

Wrong! This was prooven to be invalid once FFXIII went multiplat. There is nothing "EVEN" about them now.

  • Infinite Undiscovery:360 Exclusive
  • The Last Remnant:Timed 360 Exclusive(originally promised as simaltaneous release)
  • Star Ocean 4(originally put as Sony exclusive with no sign of defection, then all of a sudden becomes exclusive to 360?)
  • FFXIII multiplat (wtf)
  • FF versus XIII: PS3 Exclusive
  • So if full exclusives are one point and timed ones are .5 that puts us at....
  • 360:2.5 PS3:1.5
  • Not to mention the 360 would already be getting Tales games and others. There was no need to give 360 yet ANOTHER game to add to their arsenal to make things "EVEN".

If they wanted to be fair why did they not hold Last Remnant's release as they did FFXIII(a much bigger franchise which ppl have been waiting for for a looooooooooong time). Or for that matter, Why is yet another franchise synonomous with playstation,SO4, 360 exclusive? Why would Square choose a system that has an abismal fanbase for RPGs for some of there new titles(no JRPG on 360 has sold more than a mil yet)?

Fishie! Fishie!

 

 I tried to take you seriousl;y, but you keep resorting to using the term "fair." Fair is a term used to explain life to children. Fair is a word that has no meaning. It is the most worthless of all words. If it fair to have one person buy a Jaguar while another starves to death? Is it fair to take money from the person buying the Jaguar to feed the starving person? You can make an arguement for any answer to those questions. Fair is meaningless and should never be used in a real discussion.

Ok "Fair" and "Even" were not my personal discriptions of what SE is doing. This is how SE described their current marketing plan. Dont get flip with me for restating what they have already said they were trying to do. SE said they did not want their to be a overwhelming market leader this time around.

 That said your examples are not anywhere near relevant. The point of games is simply to make a good return on the investment. Maintaining a good business relationship with the console manufacturers is simply one part of that equation. FFXIII was budgeted assuming the PS3 would have the same success as the PS2 did. 20-30 million dollars in it is extremely clear that simply will never be the case. I doubt this move has even seriously damaged the business relationship of the two companies. The project could have been scrapped, or taken off the platform all together a long time ago. Making it multiplatform is a resonable compromise that will leave both companies very happy in the end.

My examples,very relevent, as these are all games that are being made timed/full exclusive to the 360. If we go by the whole "SE went MultiPlat to MAKE MORE MONEY" becuz MultiPlat "WIDENS THE USERBASE FOR A GAME" then why are all these games not multiplat as well. 360 is ONLY 4-5 MILL AHEAD. That has never been enough to make a decision like that. Shit, the 5 mill they have over PS3 WOULD CLOSE THE SECOND FFXIII CAME OUT!. Did you read my post at all? serious qeustion?

 Edit: You also seem to be under the mistaken impression that every person who will buy the game would have bought a PS3 for it. Thats just not the way the general consumer works unfrotunately. Let me put it another way and maybe it will make sense to you. Would you pay $460 for a game? Would you pay $60 for a game? A metric tonne of people will say yes to the second one, and no to the first.

 

Uh, Yes?!? Before you got a 360 or wii, did you not select a game that would make you want it? or did you just buy them becuz they are shiny? You see as a Gamestop Employee I see 'GAMERS" all the time and I get a general idea of what they are looking for. Price means nothing if it is the only alternative. Shoot, Id rather not pay 15000 for a car but I have no choice cuz thats how much it cost to get the one I like. See where I am going with this?

Sry if I sound a bit hostile but your post is a tad irritating. I dont think you actually read it at all and just skimed as many tend to do when I type loooooooooooooooooooooooong OPs. Sry bout that.

 



      

      

      

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